Identifying a Narcissistic Sociopath

20130301-181031.jpgThe following is taken from my book: Escaping the Boy: My Life with a Sociopath:


Do you know what it feels like to be locked up, placed in a dungeon of a partner’s creation? If so, you’re not alone. If not, pray you never do.

Abuse comes in many forms and affects many people in the victim’s life. Emotional, physical, and sexual abuses are equally degrading and harmful. One is not better than the other or worse than the other. They are ALL abuse.

This story is specifically about emotional abuse at the hands of a narcissistic sociopath.

According to Dr. Martha Stout’s book The Sociopath Next Door, sociopaths make up 4% of western society (Stout, 2010). That’s about 1 in 25 people walking around among us without a conscience, without the ability to measure, or care to measure, the morality of their decisions and actions. Would you know how to identify a sociopath if you saw one, met one, started an intimate relationship or entered into a business contract with one? More than likely, your answer is No, because unlike what we read on the television news or see in Hollywood movies, sociopaths aren’t just serial killers and murderers. Rather, they are members of our communities who we would never suspect of evil or wrong doing and who seamlessly blend into society with the rest of us. How? Through lies, manipulations, and more lies.

In romance, narcissistic sociopaths often appear too good to be true. They are charming, agreeable, and engaging. The narcissistic sociopath loves (or seems to love) everything about you. He hooks you. Then he breaks you. His emotional abuse is VERY subtle. The victim may not know she is being victimized until it is nearly too late.

Identifying narcissistic sociopaths

Although not all narcissists are sociopaths, all sociopaths are narcissists (Stout 2010). Therefore, if you can identify a narcissist, you’re one step closer to being able to recognize a sociopath. Below is a definition of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and a list of narcissistic traits taken directly from the website of Dr. Sam Vaknin, author of Malignant Self-Love. (If you know someone who fits at least 5 or more of these traits, a psychiatrist could easily diagnose him/her as having NPD.)

The DSM-IV-TR defines Narcissistic Personality Disorder as “an all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts,” such as family life and work.

1. Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);

2. Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

3. Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

4. Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);

5. Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favorable priority treatment;

6. Is “interpersonally exploitative”, i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;

7. Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;

8. Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;

9. Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, “above the law”, and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy (
http://samvak.tripod.com
).

Once it’s clear you’re dealing with a narcissist, go through the following list to see if the narcissist is also a sociopath. (You’ll discover many overlapping traits from each list.) The list below of 20 sociopathic traits is taken directly from the book Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us by Dr. Robert D. Hare, Ph.D:

1. Glib and superficial charm. The tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Sociopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A sociopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.

2. Grandiose self-worth. A grossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Sociopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

3. Need for stimulation or proneness to boredom. An excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Sociopaths often have low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.

4. Pathological lying. Can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.

5. Conning and manipulative. The use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one’s victims.

6. Lack of remorse or guilt. A lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’s victims.

7. Shallow affect. Emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.

8. Callousness and lack of empathy. A lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.

9. Parasitic lifestyle. An intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.

10. Poor behavioral controls. Expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.

11. Promiscuous sexual behavior. A variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.

12. Early behavior problems. A variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away from home.

13. Lack of realistic, long-term goals. An inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.

14. Impulsivity. The occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.

15. Irresponsibility. Repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.

16. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions. A failure to accept responsibility for one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.

17. Many short-term marital relationships. A lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.

18. Juvenile delinquency. Behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.

19. Revocation of condition release. A revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.

20. Criminal versatility. A diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes. (Hare 2011).

In addition to the above two lists of traits, the biggest trait (or magic trick as I like to call it) that makes narcissistic sociopaths so dangerous and effective is their ability to go unnoticed by the rest of us. They can do this, because they are good at pretending (lying) and wearing many masks (again, lying). Simply put, they lie to themselves and everyone else. They lie so much that some of them are convinced of their own lies, which is where evil is born.

I am no psychologist, psychiatrist, or counselor. However, I have lived alongside a narcissistic sociopath and feel the need to share, even if in a tale-like fiction setting, how I understand the psychopathology that insidiously penetrated my body, mind, and spirit until I was nearly convinced that I was the evil one. How? Projection, transference, and control, that’s how.

I hope you enjoy this story and pass it along to your family, friends, others you love, and anyone you suspect is or has been a victim.

Paula Carrasquillo ~ July 2012
Escaping the Boy: My Life with a Sociopath

287 thoughts on “Identifying a Narcissistic Sociopath”

  1. Anonymous said:

    Hi Paula,

    I have forwarded your description of a narcissist and sociopath to others to identify the behavioural tag that someone I know is. Thanks for sharing. It is great to know that others have gone through what I have gone through and are trying to get on with their lives in a positive way. It does affect you, and I am researching mind-body trauma healing……

    Keep up the good work, and work on healing from trauma.

    Anon.

    • Thank you for taking the time to let me know that the pages of this blog have helped you and are useful. Good luck in your research. I know I may sound cliche, but yoga has truly helped me, in addition to counseling and support groups. :)

  2. I wish I’d found this blog months ago. So incredibly helpful!

  3. Hi Paula,

    I hope you are well. I miss our email exchange but I’ve been having troubles with my email client on my home PC and haven’t found the motivation to fix it.

    My therapy sessions have been immensely helpful. I’m so glad, with your guidance, I sought it out.

    Despite the fact I have not had any contact with my Ex, he has been using my brother as a means to transfer information to me. e.g., he let my brother know that he is now engaged to be married. My Ex is also lying to my brother, which my brother has only just realized. I told my brother I am not surprised. I further went on to say, that he is caught up in my Ex’s web of lies (like I was) and that he really ought to sever all contact. I told my brother that I strongly feel my Ex is using him as a means to get back at me. I ran this theory past my therapist and she absolutely agreed. Despite the fact he has moved on and is building a new life with his new victim, he is STILL TRYING TO HURT ME. The only thing is, he’s not hurting me. When my brother told me my Ex is engaged (my Ex introduced my brother to his new “fiance”) I laughed. I don’t care that he is engaged to be married. I feel sorry for the woman. She has no idea.

    BTW, my therapist said my Ex is a “pathological narcissist”.

    I was on vacation last week working on my house, hiring contractors etc… I got so much accomplished. It felt very cathartic.

    Have you finished the book yet (Women Who Love Psychopaths)? I had to stop reading due to vacation but I plan to start back up this week.

    miss you!

    XXOO
    Susan

    • Hey, Susan!

      Great news that your house is coming along. I have not finished the book either! I better get back to it. I am so glad your counseling is working for you. But I’m sorry that your brother had to get mixed into the lies and manipulations. And another wife!? God, it all sounds so familiar. It’s best that you don’t know the details of his life, I agree. I hope your brother will end communication for your sake and your brother’s sake. You don’t need to be reminded of his games and his behavior. You don’t need to know that he is priming another woman and there is nothing you can do to stop him and save her. She’d never believe you even if you told her. He’d come up with a laundry list of lies and excuses for her as to why you’re some crazy, jealous ex-wife who is hell-bent on destroying their love affair. You know how I feel about that. It’s not worth looking like the crazy person, especially when you know the truth behind his many, many lies. Being content in our own knowledge is where we need to find comfort. Time will eventually have the final word on what and who he is.

      ~Paula

    • Hi Paula!

      He is already calling me a “psycho” behind my back and I honestly to goodness do not care. Go ahead and call me names. I’m not the one who lied. Who lived a double life. Who had aliases for Facebook, Porn Sites, Dating Websites, et-cetera. I’m not the one who lied about everything. So yah, go ahead and call me a psycho. Ha! Would the REAL psycho please stand up? Ha-Ha!

      Not to worry Paula, I am not going to stoop to his level. If I were to say or do anything it would only confirm the lies he’s spreading about me. It would on solidify in her mind that I am, as you said, the jealous ex. I would take a sword to the chest before I would give him or his fiance the satisfaction.

      I have already told my brother to remove himself from interacting with my Ex and if he cannot, then please refrain from telling me what’s going on, as I don’t need to know.

      All in all I feel really good and my life is moving forward, without him, which is a good thing. As my therapist has said, at some point he will fade to black and become a very distant memory. I may think of him from time to time but there won’t be any emotion (anger, hate, etc) behind the thoughts. I am almost through with the anger and already feel at peace. I can feel my life changing and interesting things are on the horizon.
      :-)

      XX
      S

    • Awesome! Stay that way and e-mail me once your account is back up and working. :)

    • Will do! :-)

      I am using iCloud as my email client on a Windows-based platform. I need to buy a MacBook Air I just cannot afford it! :-(

    • Download Google Chrome as your browser to access iCloud on your Windows-based PC. Much better functionality and response. :)

    • That’s how I’m accessing it (via Google Chrome). I think the issue might be my HP Laptop. Like I said, I really want a MacBook Air.

      Maybe I should stand outside the train station with a cup that says, “Please donate to my MacBook Air Fund”. LOL!

      P.s. I love Chrome! :-)

    • Nothing compares to a Macbook. I agree. I’ve got stickers all over mine. It’s been everywhere with me. Hehe! Like my own little buddy, or something.

    • Rub it in why don’t you. LOL! ;-)

    • Hehe! I didn’t mean it like that. :)

  4. Agreed Paula…part of it is that it took me nearly two and half years to divorce her after her multiple perjuries on the stand, filing bankruptcy to delay the trial and held in contempt of court over several issues…”above the law” indeed? ;-)

  5. My ex-wife fit many of the descriptions for both NPD and Sociopath…not all on each but a majority for certain. I think the difficulty for anyone who has been in a relationship with such an individual is to forgive yourself for not seeing through all the dysfunctional-ness of that person…

  6. Pat Hibbert said:

    I have just terminated a 4 year relationship with a man who ticks every box above. It has been a living hell

  7. Anonymous said:

    This is pretty much me, I’d say sad to say but its not, its just me, from experience you normal folk aren’t all that .We can’t help how we are its a dysfunction but its a damn good one, empathy and compassion are weak traits to have, who cares if I don’t care when lots of people die in a tragedy, oh well only 8 billion more left. I am better than most people I ever meet and I’m smarter too. Stop being so dumb and desperate

    • Another wanna-be sociopath. You missed the part in “How to Be a Sociopath” about not commenting on sites like this one because a real sociopath doesn’t give a hoot about us dumb and desperate folk. Go role play somewhere else. Thanks! :)

    • I struggle with this too. I am recovering from a recent problem in my life because of this. I could succumb to this dysfunction and say “to hell with life” but there’s so much more in life to live for! Prescription drugs and counseling may help but may only be a bandaid approach to a deeper issue. No one wants you to stay where you are at more than the devil because he incriminates the mind (I speak from experience).The only way to fully get better is to turn to Jesus. Ask him to heal and he will. Be consistent to believe that you CAN get better so rest on him for relief from your painful past. Luke 11:9+10 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened.

    • Thank you for your support, CL. :)

  8. bluesky1 said:

    Here is a bit about my story……..my advice is get an injunction!

    I was married to a sociopath. He managed to manipulate everyone around him and even turned my family against me. He was violent and convinced the police that he was sorry and charmed them so much, that he even got the police officer to call me and say he wanted to meet me for coffee after my ex had put me in hospital. He took me for every penny, yet continued to charm his way through. I feel like such a fool and even though I divorced him 7 years ago, I have not recovered. People still say things like ‘I don’t think he’s a bad person really’ after what he did to me. I live in a small town, he is not from here, but he has been accepted in the community and continues to reside here. Luckily, the Judge granted me an indefinite injunction, so he is not allowed anywhere near me. But it was the reaction from everyone else, who believed him and still do believe him that hurts the most. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing and I feel like I am the only one who can see it.

    My advice for above, is if you can afford it get a solicitor and get an injunction. If you can’t afford one, then you may be entitled to Legal Aid. Change your phone number and set Facebook so no one can find you, move house if you can and don’t tell anyone who knows the sociopath where you live. If you can’t move house, call the police on the non urgent number and ask to speak to a liaison officer, you can ask them to come round and give them a copy of the injunction. Get CCTV put in outside your door – this may sound OTT, but its for piece of mind.

    http://www.justice.gov.uk/legal-aid

    • Bluesky,
      I had to respond ti your comment. I haven’t experienced the depth of abuse you have but after my ex ambushed my son and I one night and I got a no contact order against him he got a police escort to come and get his belongings. When the police got there with him, one cop came to the door and the first thing he said to me was, “And don’t you start anything”.
      I have had much the same response from most of society. My family disowned me for going back to him and everyone else seems to have a “it couldn’t have been THAT bad” attitude. My ex projected such a passive personality that no one would ever believe how violent he could get at the drop of a hat. He had me thinking I had no way out, it wasn’t until his sister witnessed his temoer and had to step between us to stop him from punching me that I finally had witnesses to his abuse and I left.
      But even after andwith his sister varifying what I said was true, o one really believed it
      and people’s memories are short; a few months of him on good behaviour and everyone just carries on with their life and all is forgotten except by the victim who has to struggle to put her life back together, herself back together.
      It isn’t easy, my heart goes out to you!
      Carrie

  9. I’ve been married to a man for 35 years!
    As I look back at my waisted years (at least 20 of them)I’m just so sick and have come so close to being suicidal, as I think it’s all my fault with no escape! I’m so trapped with no way out.
    I look for a biblical answer to leave, and I’m so scared of the unknown.

    • Anonymous said:

      Sunny, please, dont stoop down to his level..no man is worth suicidal thoughts. I dont know the history of you or your marriage but women who stay due to thinking theres no way out end up with terminal health issues.its ok to leave..its ok to be scared of the unknowns. It is so NOT your fault for his behavior. He knows what hes doing to you! Its a mans dominance factor that portrays their insecurities by controlling others.its like a form of getting high by being mean to the one they “love”. Yes, it seemslike you are stuck or trapped with no way out, but, in actuality, there IS a way out. Youve been in a pattern for so long you dont realize how being in this holding pattern of control has mentally effectedyou up until now. I too thought its all my fault but after counseling and getting through the concerns, i realize its been him all along..18 years of doing life his way, of being talked down to, ofbeing told im the one with problems and need to get my head twisted on the right way, that im worthless, i dont give him my undivided attention, im out spending all hismoney, i galavant and should be home so he can what control me and tell me what my thoughts are, how i should dress, do my hair make up to his pornographic ways? Heck no… i pray you realize your thoughts of taking the blame, in my opinion, is not true..its not your fault. You can get your life back. You have control of everything related to you..your ideas, plans, thoughts, actions. Please sunny, try starting out by not allowing him to take over your thoughts or who YOU are! You are important, you matter, you are special, you are precious and mean a lot to a lot of people. Trust god to take away the years of hurt. Allow god to heal you from the inside out. I will pray for you..you can email me if you wish. Its interesting how many of us are in the same predictament..best to you always.

  10. Anonymous said:

    I’ve been married to a man for 35 years!
    As I look back at my waisted years (at least 20 of them)I’m just so sick and have come so close to being suicidal, as I think it’s all my fault with no escape! I’m so trapped with no way out.
    I look for a biblical answer to leave, and I’m so scared of the unknown.

  11. I thought it was all my fault….But…It wasn’t….He Gaslamped me to think that it was. He is a sick person. Not only did Jason Chambers (“The Human Weapon”} mess with my head, he is currently messing with many heads of woman that he is meeting from match.com. This GUY needs to be stopped!!! He owns the store…..The Toast Office….In Oakland Park, Florida. He is BAD PERSON…..His child’s mother and I can only “WRITE A BOOK ABOUT HIM!” BUT, he will continue to hurt people……Do you want someone like this to continue to hurt people?????

  12. I was best friends with a narcissistic sociopath for years and tried long and hard to remove her from my life. She matched every single personality trait you described. It appeared also her whole family encouraged and to an extent shared her crazy behavior. She was secretive for no reason, lying constantly for no reason, and always in need to control the people around her and being the center of male/sexual attention. It seems like secrecy and deceit was empowering her in some way. When she was not controlling others or she did not have the sexual attention she turned to a completely different person and became very aggressive. Everyone who was close to her (basically her best friend and bf) had to be manipulated by her. In the beginning she was the most charming and kind-hearted person on earth and, she won completely your trust (she would not settle for less than your absolute trust, admiration and adoration) and then she turned you in what she wanted, absolutely alienating you and turning you against other people. You lost interest in other people as they did not cause the same emotional excitement.
    Every now and then I tried to cut loose from her but she had always a way to slip back into my life without even having to apologize for the pain her insane behavior caused. It took me 5 years and relocating to 2 different places (for some reason her obligations brought her where I was) to finally and gradually remove her completely from my life and 3 years after the only thing I regret is not having the strength to do it earlier.
    Sociopaths are extremely dangerous because they are very difficult to detect and they do not show their character to everyone, only to the vulnerable ones that will fall in their trap. Once they are in your life they poison it with control and obsession and their well hidden jealousy of everything and everyone. The fact that a person has fallen victim of a narcissistic sociopath shows that they are vulnerable and trusting. I do wish everyone with a similar experience to rebuild a normal social and emotional life.

    • Anonymous said:

      I know exactly how you feel. I was married to one for four years and at the end I was broke and my family destroyed. She still pops up occasionally since she is a relative of one of my cousins. She was charming and the life of the party but she would lie all the time for no reason at all and manipulate people without remorse or regret. She was very abusive physically and verbally. I am so glad that part of my life is over.

  13. Not enough attention and information is paid to these predators. My eldest Sister had my 2 handicapped Sisters disinherited after turning My father against my youngest Sister and me due to undue influence and manipulation(lies). She fits every description above and is incapable of compassion. Only wanting/stealing whatever she can get her hands on. She has destroyed our family with her cold, calculating ways. Going so far as to telling a group of people I had molested Her. Thank you for letting Us all know about these incurable evil people.Mainstream media needs to alert everyone.as well.needing to be the first one at my Father and Mother’s grave sites?..How Morbid is that? Taking over control of My fathers mind. Nobody you associate with wants to get any where near the middle of Family strife. You are left to fight alone with your other siblings.

    • It’s time we stop being afraid to intervene. What’s the worst that could happen? We could be proven wrong or called crazy for making accusations? Exposed, they’ll be more than likely to be on their best behavior. I’m tired of being held hostage by the possible retaliatory actions they might take. Thank you for sharing, Gipper.

    • Anonymous1 said:

      Gipper, were you able to sue for undue influence?

  14. To Victoria. My now ex who I believe is definitely a narcissistic sociopath blamed me for everything. Tols me I molly coddled the kids and all financial problems were my fault. It took me 8 months and a lot of coffees and tears to realise that I had feelings and that I was loving our children how they should be loved. I also realised that he had isolated me and the kids, I was locked out of all finances and was given house keeping each week so how the hell was it my fault he was in dept. He even managed to make me think that he hit me because I did something wrong. I was so happy when I found his first wife’s mother. Her story was the same as mine. I think if it wasn’t for her I would still believe I was in the wrong. These people dont change and its best to walk away and end all communication with them else they try to manipulate. Hope you find strength and peace x

  15. I would like to say how living with a service man can actually work the other way. My brother and I were brought up with my mother and father. My father was a Royal Marine and we found our lives were scary when he was on leave. He was unloving, a little abusive and always wanted us kids out of the way. Both of us have ended up in controlling abusive marriages, mine far worse than his. I ended up married to a narcissistic sociopath for 19 years. So it can work the other way, that you become submissive, , controlled and abused.

    • I can definitely see that, Susan. You adapt as a child to protect yourself and it only makes sense that you would carry what you learned into your adult relationships. It’s a vicious cycle with seemingly no end.

    • I think this is the direction I’ve headed. Submissive that is. In February of 2012 I finally realized something was off about him. We had been getting along fine until he unleashed a tirade on me once again. Everything in his life and our financial interests were my fault. Everything is always my fault. I was going to therapy and he weaseled his way into that. He began going to her alone and would come back telling me what she thought about me. When I went to therapy on my own she never “diagnosed” him but did tell me that she told him “focus on yourself and not her”. Which I take it that he was trying to tell her all the problems I have. I do have problems but its the fact that I’m an intelligent woman who has 2 children that I adore and I’m stuck in a marriage that allows no difference of opinion or way of thinking. When I try to leave I’m reminded of his mother and 3 sisters being attorney’s.

      I’ve become submissive

    • Sounds all too familiar. But his mother and sisters are not the only attorneys out there. They’re four people, but they aren’t the judges nor are they representative of all lawyers. You need an advocate. Someone who can help you find your power. It’s not always in our wallets even in a divorce. More often than not, it’s in our ability to remain level-headed and determined to be taken seriously. I realize it’s easier said than done. I truly understand how paralyzing your situation must feel.

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    • I have thought about video, Sympatia. I think you’re right. Many people enjoy the simplicity of a video over just reading something on the screen. Then there’s the fear of getting in front of the camera to overcome. I could always use one of those text-to-video tools like Xtranormal.com and not deal with having my face plastered online. :) Thanks for the suggestion!

  17. Anonymous said:

    Can a whole family be affected by this disorder?

    • Yes. I’ve seen it first-hand in my situation. Brother and mother of my ex were “off,” lets just say. And his family was his only circle outside of a few illegals who SEEMED to admire him. The family unit often shares many, many secrets and answers that they are too unwilling to discuss or that they don’t even recognize as problems or issues in their past. The family will make excuse after excuse for each other, because to them, they are normal.

    • Anonymous said:

      Im married into a family of narcistics..it has been passed down to their offsprings..im debating how much more i can mentally handle them..its ok to stay away from them when possible,and when you need to be with them, do not let them consume you..do your best to repel what u can..maybe see a therapistor a trusting friend to talk with you. Best regards.

  18. Anonymous said:

    I would suggest that she takes him to a behavior specialist and or counselor. Because he is young, he would benefit from either. Keep all sharp objects, weapons locked up..including kitchen knives. I would find the pet a new home. The boy may be mentally ill and sounds harmful to his own family..itscalled tough love..best regards.

  19. Anonymous said:

    OMG, this is my nephew through and through.Hes even told his parents he will stab them in their sleep and burn the house down. He sleeps with his dog under the covers, but my siter found him looking up animal porn last yr. She cant have sharp things in the house ans has no knives as he stabbed his younger brother with scissors. She lives in fear of him and he’s only 13, hes creepy , touches you when you come inthe house which also makes you cringe. He struts about the house with no clothes on and his chest pushed out, trying to look big. He went to army cadets for one week and thinks he knows everything, and has even offered to take on my husband, who has done 23yrs in the army and two wars,; and my brother who has done 15yrs in the army with one war. does anyone know what she could do, as he terrorises his younger brothers and his cousins. Shes never had a violent relationship, but split from his stepdad 11yrs ago.
    So if anyone has any good advice or recommendations of who we would need to see, before he gets older and does something.

    • Anonymous said:

      I’m sorry but the safety of myself and family would be paramount in this situation . I would turn the boy over to an inpatient facility, the state or whoever could work with him 24/7 and keep everyone safe. It is TOTALLY not normal for a 13 yo to be this sadistic and evil and major intervention needs to be made. Immediately. That boy could set a fire in the middle of the night and kill everyone and walk off . Taking away knives and scissors is NOT enough!

    • Army families are often disfunctional and perfect breeding grounds for psychopathy.

    • I have been told this often, Amanda and I. Most military families are unwilling to talk about it, however, probably due to fears and the fact it’s all they know. What are the consequences for discussing this aspect of military families? I do not know.

  20. OMG Cynthia…I am going through EXACTLY the same thing. My Narc has her current victim messaging and attacking ME calling ME a Narcissists! That’s hilarious because I am the biggest bleeding heart there is but once again. my narc turns MY words around and tries to make it look like I am everything I know she is. . It makes me sick that she’s ruining so many lives and getting away with it. She doesn’t have an original thought in her head and she has lived a life of grandiosity, living off the toils of others and leaving them in ruins. It’s truly sickening.

  21. donald burgis said:

    I can apply some of those traits to everyone I’ve known or met in 53 years. Very broad definition don’t buy it!

    • Donald, no one is asking you to buy anything, and no one is saying these traits alone define a narcissistic sociopath. Maybe you should re-read the part about these traits being “an all-pervasive pattern,” which means they are exhibited repeatedly over time with no changes in behavior or attitude.

    • Donald; yes, everyone has some narcissistic traits, some they display more at some point in their life stronger than other times. It is healthy to have a positive self image, believe in youring abilities and many high up professionals exhibit very strong narcissistic tendencies.

      The problem lies in possessing 5 or morrow of the traits because most healthy people are not pathological liars and are governed by a conscience that prevents them from exploiting others for their own gain no matter the consequence are. These people do not have through ability to sympathize and for mother suffer from guilt. Imagine not having a conscience and never suffering guilt…….. What would stop you from leaving a trail of destruction behind you? For most people it is a all nut impossible to get their head around the fact thst’s people exist without a conscience so they assign emotions tp the N that he foes not have and the N is a masterful actor who has studied human behaviour and can mimic emotions he has seen in others.

      Very scary when you have high intelligence, grandiose self image, no guilt or empathy. The ingredients for a monster dressed in human form.

    • Thank you for adding this clarification, Ladywithatruck. My patience is a bit worn today. Tax season and all. :)

    • Marilyn Lundrigan said:

      Obviously Donald, at 53…wisdom has’nt been one of your strong points!!!!!!.

  22. What a great article! So true…every word describes the sociopath/narcissist to a T. My husband is a sociopath and these kinds of people destroy you piece by piece without you ever realizing what is going on… until its too late. I find that many people do not understand what victims of sociopath/narcissist go through and they are quick to judge. Everyone except people who are victims of sociopath or trained psychiatrists. My husband gas lighted me n projected everything that he was onto me and everyone believed him, even my pastor. The pity stories are endless. They are either a hero or a victim. At times I feel that the laws should be altered and updated to offer victims some form of retribution. If they are punished some of their cruelty will be minimized. The damage sociopaths create changes someone’s life forever ( in a very negative way). Even after the sociopath is gone from the victims life they really aren’t gone. I’m not saying you should wallow in self pity but the mess they leave you in psychologically, financially, sometimes physically is just too much. Spiritually they break you down too. I found that if you feed them wrong information it helps counter them. We all know we can’t win them but they hurt you with information about yourself that you feed them thinking they are the people closest to us and never in a million years expecting then to be your worst enemy. A few years ago my doctor found trace amounts of poison in my system and asked me who do I live with. Because of my sociopath husband my health got bad over the years from poison which led to cancer and one thing after the next. All my dreams died in slow motion. I feel like I was in a coma and just woke up and want to know what did I miss? I knew things weren’t right with his moodiness and response but I blamed myself thinking I should be a better wife. I always thought we would have what we initially had ( not realizing it was love bombing). I supported him for years financially and even helped him to open a business. He asked me to quit my job and with the mental abuse I developed anxiety and claustrophobia. He had me right where he wanted me to be… under his feet and dependent on him. Recently I found out he has numerous affairs and women and secret emails. Also things to indicate that he might have several children and wives. But i made the mistake if confronting him. He’s making my life even more of a hell. The mask is unveiled so he’s out to punish and spite and is successful in making others think I’m crazy. The laws in NY ( privacy laws) protect people like him because I can’t inquire if he’s already married or has aliases. So that’s how these people continue their predatory lifestyle. The law is in their favor. And the women conspire with him against me. In my quest for truth I contacted someone he’s having affair with and they conspired to call the police and have me arrested for harassment. Meanwhile the woman keeps fb messaging me. It’s a game to my husband. And to make things worse he has connections ( dirty cops, FBI and rich buddies) so he told me he can set me up and get away with it. The law doesn’t help again as if I report it they come and then my sociopath husband gets more angry and sets me up and I will have no proof. Money talks and I have none but my husband does. He hides all his money and has very little to cover monthly expenses. At times I wonder how he affords his secret lifestyle which leads me to believe that he could be involve in shady things. I haven’t found anything relating to illegal things but he hates laws and believes he’s higher than god. He also loves money and status. So I know he will do whatever to get what he wants. Also he must have lots of money to have all these women. They are with him for money as he’s ugly inside out. He’s not educated but has high intelligence in terms of scheming. He’s a great actor and not one person he deals with will ever think he’s a monster. He also doesn’t live with them too so maybe that’s why. But these people need to be in asylums for sure. It’s hard to see people like them enjoying life and trampling on others to get to where they want to be while you loose and they win…. In every angle! Best thing is to detach and get them out of life but be careful as even when they are out they still mess with you.

    • I forgot to mention… Be very careful with your exit and who you trust. Sociopaths have spies every where. Also it helps to have a prayer life and I do believe in karma. Yoga, exercise and meditation are all good forms of stress relievers … At least temporary. I find that it helps to look forward to something… Like going back to school or planning a trip two years from now. Distraction helps! But good luck to all of you and god bless. Don’t let this person steal your joy…see it as a lesson ( a bitter lesson ) an undeserving lesson but at least we know what a sociopath is. Too bad they don’t teach this in school.

    • Thank you, Cynthia. And you’re right; we should be learning this in school or somewhere! We learn about God and goodness but no one teaches us about the reality of evil people walking beside us. Even as victims/survivors, we don’t want to believe we were treated the way we were treated for no reason other than the fact we existed as an obstacle in the sociopath’s life.

    • Cynthia, it is so hard to acknowledge we are involved with someone who is pure evil, others don’t believe it if you do tell them so it is so easy for them to convince everyone around them and the victim that its the victim who id unstable and mentally disordered. After all, how could we possibly live someone who would plot our murder.

      I often wondered how women we never hear about who die in an “accident” or mysterious illness because of a narcissistic sociopath ire psychopath. My ex tampered with my vehicles, I was sure he would kill keep someday i just ddn’t know when or how but felt helpless to leave. I told my whole family that no matter how I die don’t believe it. I went to the cops and told them “Fyi I am not suicidal”. They laughed at me, he had them all convinced I easier a delusional psychotic bitch thst’s make his life hell.

      I’ve been out of tgeur relationship for 2 1/2 years and just now finding peace and joy in love again.

      The should all be excited to island somewhere and left to feed off of each other.

      How horrible ti find out he was slowly poisoning you.

      Much love and peace to you.

      Once you have slept with the devil and lived to tell about it you find beauty in simplest things; life is never the same; I have found thst’s everyday without him in it is a blessing.

  23. Anonymous said:

    I tried counseling until he pulled a knife in front of my kid and i. I told my counselor who, in turn, had to by law report it to county services which then a detective called asking for me which turned out to be a very intimidating scarey moment..he yelled at me telling me i am done with my counselor..i shouldve kept going. I froze up during the episode and now know i literally shouldve called it in when it happened..its just ongoing nonsense..im stuck and dont see a way out ..

    • Courage, dear. There is always a way out. For your child’s sake, if nothing else, you must leave. Put your plans in place. Get support from trusted family, friends, social services. There is freedom on the other side. Even if he is charming and does everything to win you back after you leave. It is an act. If you are on this site and see the same signs in your partner, get out.

  24. Anonymous said:

    What do you make of this situation: going on 15hard yrs of marriage to an angry, controlling guy who, since before i knew him has this gal who he has a hostory with, je has financially helped her get a house based on a supposed contract for deed which was set up 18yrs ago..she then ook a loan for 75,000.00 and still owes 15,000.00 whicj shouldve been paid off two yrs ago, now she cant pay him and he is still emotionally there for her even though he tells me othwrwise. I told him before we ot married its me or her..needless to say he thinks its ok to have both. He thinks i should befriend her..i wont stoop to her level..so, the srress and anger is taken out on the kids and i. When is enuf , enuf? Im only still withhim til the kis are older..i do not love him..he burnt too many bridges. My heart is scarred. There is too much stress and im mentally tired.

    • I am sorry you are dealing with this. There is a clear disrespect of your vows and your personal boundaries happening in your marriage. Regardless if you think or I think or anyone thinks he’s a narcissist or sociopath, there is harm happening to you and to your children. And it sounds like it’s been happening for 18 years.

      Many women can’t leave or ask for a divorce due to finacial limitations. I understand. It’s not easy. But if your only reason for not spreading your wings and seeking a better life is because of your children, you need to reassess that reason. Children are also emotionally and spiritually scarred and affected through exposure. It’s like second-hand smoke: it’s dangerous just being around the stuff.

      Do you have someone in your life you trust and can talk to? You need a sounding board. Someone who has the time, patience and love for you to listen without prejudice.

    • Anonymous said:

      dont wait until your children are older, it really only damages them further the longer you wait as well. you deserve to be healthy and the only way you will be healthy is to stop allowing him to have his cake and eat it too… You are more valuable than that.. don’t let him treat you this way…..

  25. In some states it is against the law to file papers pertaining to a divorce while the respondent is in a psychiatric hospital. A similar thing happened to me while living in another country. He took advantage of my not being able (or discharged), to travel to
    file a response and request for continuance, whatever the jargon. And after I returned to the US, the decree absolute was delivered to me from him and his criminal legal team. I was still recovering at the time and no encouragment from anyone to seek legal counsel, and in no state of mind to understand the consequences. Know your rights!! I got paid for the sale of the house, but he absconded with wedding gifts I’ve never replaced…. p.s. nor did i get the chance to file for support from him because during the 2 year marriage, I was the worker, he was in school part time. I think I also was contributing to the mortgage payments.

  26. Anonymous said:

    Anonymous, im sorry youre going through unfair situation with the ex..in life, we are dealt with circumstances of which we have no control over. As long as we are in control of ourselves, the rest falls into place. Look at it this way, you are no longer married to the lying man! He is possibly acting out now that you arent around to contol you? He is in the wrong in regards to everything youve shared. Its amazing the nonsense these sociopaths try to pull on us..i pray you are continuing to heal and stay strong in who you are! Be true to yourself always!

  27. Anonymous said:

    I just got divorce and custody papers back in October. I went to the hospital for depression & while I was in there he filed. Never told me about it. He took my kids from me I get to see them 4 times a week for an hour & they are supervised visits. My husband is a narcissistic sociopath. I learned this after too much damage was done. He didn’t pay bills, we lost our house. He didn’t pay the payments on my car, I lost my car. We went from house to house without paying anything ( I was a stay at home mom) He has called the cops while I’m having my visitation with my kids for no reason whatsoever. The list could go on and on. He is EVERYTHING you’ve described here and I think it’s great you are trying to raise awareness. He is definitely making my life a living hell… and I never did a thing to him.

    • I am so very sorry you are dealing with this. The sad irony is that you were probably in the hospital seeking treatment for depression that he caused. And yes, he caused it. Don’t let anyone or him say it was all you. We know that the crazy-making leads to total confusion and desperation.

      My heart is breaking just thinking of the cruelness of his act to file and take your children at your most vulnerable. Good people don’t do that. Good people try to help you when you’re down. But as I stated, he’s the one who pushed you down, so he has no interest in lifting you up.

      But there is hope. You must fight and never give up. Know that you are worthy of your children’s love and affection and that you are 100% fit to parent and be a guiding light in their lives. Do not allow him to make you feel less than that. Use the time away from your children to strengthen your self-love and self-understanding. With every visit, you will get stronger. You will.

    • Anonymous, these bottom feeders are so self centered that if you aren’t supply then they want to destroy you. What better way to break a woman than to take her kids. Don’t let him win, like Paula said, work on yourself between visits, make the best of the visits you can and prove the son of a bitch wrong. I don’t know how old your children are but he can’t fool them forever, kids are amazingly perceptive and all this will backfire on him eventually.

      My ex tried every thing to destroy me, I have been to hell and back, its taken 2 yrs but my life is coming together and it is so wonderful to enjoy life without the worry of a”what will he do to screw it up”. You never know what is around the corner, don’t ever give up; You are a good person and s good mom and you will be rewarded in time.
      Trust in God, Karma, in a fair universe; your time will come.

  28. Anonymous said:

    So, i accepted an apology from a friend who wasnt thinking clearly due to he was served divorce papers, social drinking andd supposedly liked me more than i ever did him..started out as friends then he hoped for the next step..i made boundaries with him from the beginning no more than friends..we havent spoke in a real long time..i got a msg of apology telling me he is sorry for putting me in a bad spot in my life, hes going to a counselor to get better..he almost ended his life and i talked him out of it..geez, he feels eternally grateful, endebted to me..the question being…is further communications ideal or not?

    • Anonymous,
      I am sorry about your friend but it sounds like he is on track to being healthier. Remember, not everyone who behaves with the traits listed here is necessarily afflicted with a personality disorder or sociopathy. (These are characteristics that become a constant over the person’s lifetime.) Sometimes we behave badly for a short term due to unresolved trauma or other stressors like the ones you described. I don’t know how long it’s been for him since he began his counseling, but I would guess its been pretty recent. If you feel uncomfortable getting too close too soon, that’s good. Maybe limit communication, get your feet wet. Your gut will tell you when and if he falls back into harmful behavior. And maybe he’ll prove he’s changed but don’t assume that too soon. We are all human, after all, and if he seems genuine about changing and not harming you or others, just keep maintaining your boundaries and give him a chance. But don’t leave your door hanging wide open. Thanks for commenting. You may get others who chime in, too, with helpful advice. :)

    • Anonymous said:

      So,now this friend is asking me to be a sponsor on an occasional basis. I did tell them i could when im available..no full committment. They accepted this arrangement. M not sureif its a way to force back into their life. Will go with mygut. Theres a little discrepancy which could go back to not talking.

  29. jchristine333@gmail.com said:

    Riley,
    Continue to be firm withthis inmate..think of it this way: he literally has no control of you or your need to be a simple friend! The pointbeing he hasno control ofwho you are ever! Toobad if he wont accept the fact of your needs..what kind of person puts theirneeds in front of your own? One with a selfish , disrespectful thinking process.sorry but if i were you, i would stop all communications with him which may bedifferent for a little while but in reality you are doing yourself a favor! You can do better than him..i do know from experience..best regards.

    • Hi jchristine333 -
      Thank you so sincerely for your reply; yes, it confirms my feelings all day; I correspond with another, and we share faith and I feel so “safe” with his replies and my letters….safe and clean. My daughter said the same thing to me tonight…”stop writing.” I wasn’t looking for romance…..he as I wrote began to show the demeaning, non-empathetic, grandiose and other traits of the narcissist/sociopath about which I’ve done some reading. This site is so important for all the various experiences. My compassionate motive was misspent….some of these men are really in need of psych evaluation, which is available in most states to inmates. The have to request it. What Paula wrote…sure. I’ll share, maybe in the next apropos discussion of women who love too much? Desperate women, dangerous men! I truly feel it has run its course, but ironically his faithfulness in writing did block out some of my loneliness these days….however, I know, no reason to continue. I will try to find a place to answer Paula’s post below.

    • Beware of people who threaten or start to commit suicide if you don’t do something their way. It is a rouse that later will manifest itself in pain and suffering both mental and physical for those who buy into that situation. Remember your scriptures–As a man thinketh so is he. We think then we act even when it is evil or seems to be an unconscious act. Somewhere in the recesses of ones mind there is a place where stored information allows one to exhibit the behaviors he shows . I believe it is called attitude. People can change, but some are like the Lord said with minds seared with a hot iron. They will not change. They are hypocrites a are really good at using others and abusing others emotionally so we feel obligated to help and sorry for them. Don’t buy into this behavior. Your creator did not put you on this earth to be abused just to have a man in your life.

  30. To digress a momen, can anyone offer rational insight on explaining to an inmate of 24 years that our correspondence is to continue as friends, only, since the venue is unreal (just like online relationships). He starts to be critical, demeaning, smug and grandiose. I had feelings at the beginning, nothing like I can love and care for this guy, but there was a certain connection. Now my daughter is furious that I write to a felon. In reaching out to write to him, he shared his humanity with me; there are so many guys in prisons with undiagnosed disorders who need help and medication.
    I just want to step aside and focus on my needs. Of course, for the borderline personality, he is the perfect catch…unavailable detached and incapable of commitment. I have locked up parts, I can feel it, but do not know why I reached out to someone, although at the time I was recovering from some injuries and he met a need for friendship. Good discussion topics, nevertheless.

    • I would say that it isn’t necessary to explain yourself beyond, “I’d like to continue corresponding with you, but would like to do it as a friend rather than as a romantic love connection.”

      It doesn’t matter how you try explaining yourself, he will say “no” to being just friends, so why waste the energy. They can’t be ‘just” friends with anyone because weilding control over “just a friend” isn’t socially acceptable like domestic control and intimate partner control. It seems society overlooks beating your wife, but if you dare try to cause a fight with your freind, look out!
      :)

    • Please correct part of my message if you can., It should say DON’T buy into this behavior. I had typed the word but apparently it did not come through. ThanksI

    • I will. Thank you, Eleanor.

  31. Anonymous said:

    this actually scares me, i show 17 of 20 of the traits……. im gonna be a serial killer???

    • If this scares you, you probably aren’t suffering from a personality disorder. More than likely, you’re young or inexpereinced in relationships. Regardless, if you don’t get your behavior in check, you could end up hurting a lot of people emtionally and possibly in other ways. Not all sociopaths are serial killers, but they all cause relationsl harm. If you don’t care about hurting people repeatedly throughout your life, you’ll just keep doing it. But if you do care, find someone you can talk to about ways you can change your behavior. In most cases, it starts with learning to love and accept yourself with all of your flaws in order to have the capacity to empathize and consider the “other” people in your life. When you stop harming yourself emotionally, physically, or spiritually, you stop harming others.

  32. great discussion, thank you. After corresponding with an inmate after 7 mos. I finally realized he was a narcissist/sociopath, serving life. After I sent a subscription to the prison for him, he fired back that I had not sent photos or ‘anything’, and haven’t shared much of myself! They must life in their own, insulated reality..he cannot relate. I shared what my talents were…no reply…family….no reply….it is all about him, and he’s all about going nowhere. Then there is this vague sense of depersonalization they make you feel….never pity a prisoner, even one on death row. They will not be broken or rehabilitated, even there. They are hard on you, almost cruel. Obviously this ploy of their never acknowledging a woman’s specific strengths, they generalize. I’m so not even replying…no reasoning will help him see his grandiosity, the stories. If you enjoy tough love with dangerous men, make sure you do not find one in prison who is just dying to get out and care for you. No. I have to fade out now, and make excuses.

    • Thank you for sharing this, Riley. With women, they see us archetypically, either cultural or one they have invented in their minds. They have a set of surface characteristics they look for that basically gives them a hard on when they meet a woman that matches them. They fall in love with those very shallow qualities and call that love. I’m glad you realize that now. Would you be willing to share why you chose to correspond with an inmate? No judgement from me. I worked in corrections at one time and pitied and wanted to help many inmates I encountered. I understand if you’d rather not. :)

  33. God yes Paula, I’m so sorry I picked up on those things and helping anonymous. New learnt mistake! Sue West.

    • Don’t apologize, Susan! Your comment is brave and helps validate what others may be suspecting in their gut after reading those comments and others like them elsewhere. XOXO

  34. One more thing, the phrase move on is something my narcisistic sociopath husband would say. Just saying! Sue West

    • I agree with both of your observations, Susan. The subtle use of language (i.e. certain words and oft repeated words) and the claim of being abused and then miraculously declaring he/she is healed and ready for their next relationship. It’s been a long journey for me, too. And it’s only been recent that I feel like I can trust myself enough to love enough and give enough to another. Too many other “red flags” to dissect in the comments by Anonymous. But I think real victims and survivors can pick them out easily. No need to provide coaching on how to be a successful fake victim. Thank you, Susan.

  35. Dear anonymous, It takes much much longer than a year to heal from abuse so for you to be in a new relationship aleady I feel that your feelings arnt correct. You would need time alone to mend. I don’t think you would forgive either as I can’t. If it were done accidently then I could but to be so evil to me, his wife and our two children I don’t think I ever will. Sue west

  36. I like your site but I am pretty shocked that you would tell a man dealing with a female sociopath to look up BPD simply because she’s female. BPDs are not “female psychopaths” or psychopaths at all. That is an emotion dysregulation disorder that is highly treatable. BPDs get into painful relations with sociopaths and will need help too.

    • I realize there are many BPDs who recognize their condition and desperately want to change and get better. However, there are many who don’t even know they are BPD. My reasoning for directing him to descriptions and character trait of BPD is because many Sociopaths display traits of all the Cluster B personality types which are disorders that do cause relational harm to others if gone unchecked or ignored. There are even quite a few borderlines who agree their behavior is hurtful and accept the criticism. But I’m not here to help borderline sufferers. I’m here to help people find answers as to what struck them… Sociopath, borderline, histrionic, anti-social, narcissistic personalities.

  37. Paula—I was fully prepared to leave this “conversation” without another word after realizing just how right you were when you reminded me that engaging Jim is what he is looking for. Notice how your comment about Jim [who is now ‘Anonymous’] “ending up looking desperate talking to himself” came true? But, I had to respond once more to tell you that you HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD when you suggested Jim only wants information to use AGAINST someone else, instead of using it FOR himself. I saw firsthand how Jim has tried repeatedly to control my friend. He knows exactly who I am and his attempts to claim that I don’t know him are another manipulative tactic to get others (you) to feel sympathy for him. I have known my friend over 30 years–he knows this as well—and he knows full well that she has never lied to me about him in any way. I was there when he got caught (and was forced to admit) lying. I have heard the abusive messages he has left her. I have seen the controlling, blaming and suicidal texts he has sent her.

    She lives her life with great authenticity and everyone who knows her admires her. Her social media sites are filled with pictures of her and other people who have known and loved her for many years. There is not one picture of him with any other person (other than his children) on his page, because he has no real friends; he has burned every bridge in his life after being discovered as a fraud.

    He claims I was “snooping into his facebook page” but he has been told in the past that he can adjust his settings to prevent non-friends, like myself, from seeing the content of his page. He allows access to strangers because he desires drama and conflict, and seeks to control and manipulate, and remain the “victim.” He would like people to believe that I am actually his ex, because believing that will add to the drama.

    After I came to her defense here, Jim sent her a long, rambling diatribe, once again, in an effort to verbally abuse her. When she quickly responded to tell him she had no intention of reading his message, he called her a “coward.” That’s right; he called her names for refusing to participate in his game.

    As you see, he’s now retreating after you called him out on the discrepancies in his “story,” which explains why the sum of his friends steadily declines after each of them discover the real Jim.

    • Very interesting, B.B. Thank you for sharing this with all of us.

    • If you have ever been in a class with chronic dependent of Bi-Polar spouses and Children you would not be so quick to chastise the writer. I took the class for personal reasons, because I committed to striving to be a good wife. I wanted to know how to correct myself and handle situations so I would not be one who was causing pain to another, I want to go to heaven when I die and hurting others is not on my agenda. I suggest that folks visit AA meetings for CoDependents. We have them where I live and it is a requirement of the CD class to at least attend one. The stories you hear will give you pause and if you are a prayerful person will give you reason to get on your knees on their behalf. For those who are just dissatisfied because you are not getting what you want it will give you a look at the challenges others face and make you appreciate waiting for things and for new opportunities to extend your horizons, Until we get a look at the trials of others we often cannot appreciate how our own situations might be with just a few alterations.

    • You bring up a good point, Eleanor. The more I write and learn about this subject, the more I become cognizant of my own behavior and how it could cause harm. We have all behaved badly on occasion. I want to make sure those occasions for me are fewer moving forward. I don’t want to hurt anyone, either.

  38. *sigh* I know you’re right, Paula, and my friend (Jim’s ex) does a much better job than I of not letting his antics get to her. In fact, she’d probably be upset with me for taking the bait here. It’s just that I (and her other close friends) feel so protective of her. She has been abused by all the people who were supposed to love her throughout her life, and yet she has an uncanny ability to always rise above it. This man (boy) is pure evil, and I need to realize he always will be. My attempts to protect her won’t change that, and will, like you wisely pointed out, only spur him on further. In fact he’s already attempted to contact her because of me getting involved on her behalf here. I appreciate you letting me be a good friend, and thanks for helping me alert her and others to the signs.

    • Anonymous said:

      I have noting to lose or gain. But believe what you will. Can’t help that at all. I know the truth and that’s all that matters to me. Good luck with your frienship with her BB.

    • This is a perfect opportunity to provide BB with the truth that you know, Anonymous. If I had an opportunity to engage in an exchange with my ex’s family and friends (the few he had remaining), I would have used it as an opportunity to detail my experiences and warn them–to explain how his abuse of me affected me and to explain why I was desperate for the truth to be known by all. It does matter that others know the truth that you say you know. If you are trully a victim, you will have no qualms sharing your truth. (You’re on here as an anonymous commenter. No one you know will ever be able to connect any confessions to you.) Go for it, Anonymous. Share your truth. There are other victims here who can relate and will probably chime in with support. If this woman is as bad as you say she is, you must be desperate to connect with others who have experienced the same. (And men do hurt. More than we know. So, it’s not an excuse to say that you don’t hurt because men don’t feel the way women do. Men do. They just have a harder time expressing it openly.) I would jump at the chance to explain myself to my abuser’s family and friends. To correct the lies he has spread and to explain any of my bad behavior as a reaction to his abuses against me.

    • BB I got the creeps reading your ex’s comments (Anonymous or “Jim”). He doesn’t realize that it’s obvious that he is the abuser.

    • They never do; do they? :)

  39. Very interesting information. My ex girlfriend fits completely into the narcissistic sociopath outline. Tragic thing is that I truly loved and cared for her all the while being played. Part of me still cares enough to hope she gets the help she needs. She keeps resurfacing.in my life when other “relationship s” fail. Not even going to attempt to figure out why. But now I have answers.

    • Jim, you are a pathological liar. Everyone who knows you knows what you have tried to do to your ex-girlfriend, to attempt to make yourself look like the victim.

      While you were lucky enough to be her girlfriend, you lied to her, lied about her to your friends and family, as well as her family; you stole from her, you hacked into accounts on her computer, you stalked her, you abused her, you tried to interfere in her new relationship, you threatened suicide as a control tactic, and now you spend half your life posting passive-aggressive comments vaguely directed at her on your Facebook profile and blogs such as this one, knowing that her friends like me will see it and it will get back to her.

      You are clearly the narcissistic sociopath, and true to narcissistic, sociopathic behavior, you are attempting to use strategies like projection, transference, and control, and hiding behind over-the-top religious piousness won’t change the facts .

      The only reason you won’t communicate your real feelings directly to her is because you know her friends would rip you a new one if you tried, because we all see through you. Everyone, including you, knows she is happy, successful, and has no interest in having you back in her life. Don’t confuse her wonderful ability to forgive you and wish you well, with a desire to “resurface” in your life. Your jealousy will destroy you if you don’t get help.

    • If Jim is commenting this way because he is, in fact, the abuser and not the victim, the attention you provide by responding, B.B., is just going to feed him and motivate him to keep seeking pity all over the web and in your circles. Not engaging him in his delusional behavior (if he is the abuser) is best and will also help your friend in the long run. He’ll get bored with you all and move on faster. It’s best to block him on all social media platforms. Your friend and all of her friends know he is lying. So, what he says doesn’t really matter, does it? Eventually, he’ll end up looking desperate talking to himself. :)

    • Jim, you bring up a good point. Although these people lash out at their victims and accuse us of not loving or caring for them, the ironic thing is that we did love and care for them, and as you note, some of us still do. But it’s our love and care that opens the door for them to continue their abuse. We all want to be wanted and these types are very good at making us feel like they want and need us…IN THE BEGINNING. Now that you know what you are up against, you can maintain your boundaries and simply say no to her the next time she resurfaces. I wrote a post related to this. You might find it applies. http://paularenee.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/keep-your-heart-out-of-his-jar-forever/

    • Anonymous said:

      You have a right to your opinion BB as manipulated and misguided as they may be. But I know the truth who ever you are BB. BB you only know what lies you’ve been told. You don’t know me at all I suspect. I do find it interesting that you snoop into my facebook page just to keep her updated. Intersting behaviour. I know her pattern and I dealt with her behaviour first hand. The personal attacks is what I fully expected. Not being let down there.

    • Anonymous,
      What I find unsettling and interesting about your comments is that there is no inkling of your suffering in your words. You haven’t once said “I feel hurt” or “I feel like I can never trust anyone again.” And by writing “Not being let down there” speaks to your perception of this as being a game, a cat and mouse game.

      You also, disturbingly, seem to be pleased that now you have information to use AGAINST someone else, instead of using it FOR yourself. When real victims/survivors find information like I provide on this page, they are simply flabbergasted and excited to finally understand what happened to them so they don’t keep blaming ONLY themselves for the abuse.

      I’m skeptical because I have seen this behavior before by abusers (men and women) who visit my blog and Facebook pages. The next thing you know you’ll be quickly and magically cured and healed and saying, “I’m only sorry I wasted so much of my life with her because she’s nothing but a X, Y, and Z.” Then you’ll just as suddenly and magically have a new girlfriend.

      But I could be completely wrong. You only left two comments, after all.

    • Anonymous said:

      I understand interpretation completely. It’s been well over a year since she ended this relationship. I have had a lot of time to heal. Am currently developing a new relationship. Trusting someone with the same values I have. I did hurt Paula. For a long time. But healing came. I even forgave. It truly doesn’t matter to me who believes me or what lies are thrown put there. Fact is the abuser is not and was not me. I went in and changed my settings on the social media to only include friends. Blocking her out once and for all. I was given misguided advice to keep allowing her access. Anyway. Do I stop caring? No. But I have moved on. Whether you believe me or not doesn’t matter. Interesting how the narcissistic sociopath can manipulate their friends and try to turn the tables and use others to blame. Not going to post anymore because all I needed was what made up that typeof person. I got my answer. By the way…BB is actually my ex. She used the same words in an email to me. Disturbing. Best wishes!

    • I understand. And I can’t make a determination one way or another regarding the validity of anyone’s comments in a simple comment string. Thank you for taking the time to share as much as you did.

  40. christine said:

    He did ask me before the knife and after”do you want a divorce, fine lets get divorced” i dont know what he would say if i tell him to leqve other thanthehouse and everything in it i hiss and to leave with only the things i came with.
    he protested the separation idea..i told him if i go i get the kids and half of everything its a state law..he said “we’ll see about that”..this is from a man whose had bad relationships before me and still talks to one of his ex girlfriends to this day even though i gave him the ultimatum during marital classes..boy was i blind and stupid! Thanks for tje info

  41. christine said:

    I am looking for help. I am going on15yrs of marriage..in the first year we were having problems because he questioned my whereabouts, my spending habits which consisted of new clothesbut not name brand nor did ever or have i yet spent more than 50.00 on clothes..he always told me how to dress, make food, style myhair and accused me of galavanting which to this day still does. He gives me a hard timw when i try to go to my parents who live onehour from me..blames me fortheproblems we have relationship wise.. i dont put out enough, talks down to me asmy ideas and opinions are invalid. I need to stop holding the kids’ hands, i tend to them too much..wedont love each other..he told mehe doesnt want to come home because he thinks i look at him in discust..i need to get my head screwed on the right way…this iscoming from a man who pulled a knife on me in front of my first grafe biy a few years ago, i told my then counselor and she had to report it to family services who turnedit over to an investigator who called asking for me and thehusband answered the phone before i spoke to thedetective which turned into a terrible dispute, he demanded i stop seeing the counselor, i should talk to him when theres questions..its been a rollercoaster lifesince the knife episode, actually since 17 yrs ago..i am told to not leave with the kids, he needs to get out..do italk with a sheriff and start documenting? i am beyond uncomfortable around himand thekids areas well..i also am monetarily abused along withverbal and emotional..he is soo angry i dont know which stepsshould be taken…ugh!

    • Christine,

      Yes. You need to document the abuse. This site explains why and how: http://documenttheabuse.com

      Also, you need an advocate. Someone you can trust and confide in about what is happening to you now and what happened to you in the past. Your ability to stop thinking like a victim is crucial to the success of your plan to end the marriage or leave.

      How would he react if you told him you want a divorce? Or asked him to leave?

  42. christine said:

    Paula, I am still married to a narcistic guy..i dont know your history in your current situation..I do know that playing with your mind is deceiving, manipulating and may take over who you are if you allow it and him to do so…I would go with your gut and get away from this toxic relationship..best wishes

    • Thank you, Christine. I am no longer in the relationship, but this is great advice for those who haven’t made the choice to leave yet.

    • christine said:

      What sound advice would you give others who are still in a volitile marriage..what made you decide to get out of the marriage..did something major occur or did you get to that point of enuf is enuf?

    • I wasn’t married to him, but that didn’t help me leave any sooner than I should have. There was an incident between the sociopath and my 5-year-old son (not the sociopath’s son) involving a plate of chicken. During this incident, I saw the desperation in my son’s eyes. I watched helplessly as my baby pleaded with this man to stop. But he wouldn’t stop. I wanted to take a fork and jab his eyes out. I knew I couldn’t subject my son to this disgusting man any longer. I ultimately left more for my son than for myself. It’s as if my threshold for pain had not been reached but I snapped out of my stupor during the “chicken” incident. My advice is to listen to your gut, make a plan, tell someone you trust, and be willing to lose everything. But everything material can be regained. It’s your heart and spirit that can’t be salvaged if you wait too long. And remember that you matter and you are worth living a happy and peaceful life. It’s amazing how quickly your freedom and will to keep moving forward returns if you allow it to.

  43. I need support recovering from a whirlwind manipulative, rushed engagement and marriage to a. Narcisstic Sociopath. Member of a Golf Country Club. He was ibdeed too good to be true.
    I gave him back his large engagement ring twice. Even though I was between jobs and had gone through a criminal trauma. He cried and said he “sucked at this”. He had never shown am emotional side except smiling and nodding in agreement enchanted with everything I did.
    However, in my “gut”, I knew something was off..Whenever I would distance myself. The more charming and full of promises he gave. Accomodating my every wish. Agreeable and funny

    • I’m sorry you were sucked in by this person, Paula. They all like to cry like babies when they don’t get their way and the thing they covet tries to walk away. These are their tantrums and how they try pulling us back in. How long was your relationship?

  44. theresa said:

    I have a child with a sociopath and it is hard. He will just walk away from her and blame me, he doesn’t want to see me so he won’t see her. He has been in and out of her life and never consistent, I have allowed it because I didn’t have a father and I feel she deserves one. I have recently found these sites about sociopaths and I know for a fact that he is. The physical abuse to just walking away from me for years. He feels that taking away his presence will punish me and it does. How do I get past this? How do I cut the contact from my daughter? I know he doesn’t care about her, he uses her to hurt me. I have done great this week but feeling really weak today, I just don’t know how to stop loving him.

    • Theresa, I would get a mantra to say over and over to yourself when you feel weak. Mine was “this is easy”. Sounds stupid but saying it out loud to myself helped a lot. I said it and I felt lighter. Get hobbies for you and your daughter, biking, hiking, swimming, etc. to keep your time occupied and to create a healthy life. Think about your daughter instead of yourself. Your job is to create a healthy emotional world for her so she can live a good life. It’s more important than how you feel: weak or strong. Speaking from experience; my kids are grown now, it will get better and easier every month that passes. I focused on my kids and making every day as beautiful as possible. Of course I made mistakes, we all do! Her father will only make things worse for her. Explain to her when she’s older that you are so happy she is exactly who she is. I said things like “your father’s gift to you was life. In an ideal world he would have been better, but being involved with ANYONE who creates an angry unhappy atmosphere isn’t worth it. You can create a happy life with a man that treats you well. Look at all the nice, calm, fun days we had together. They would have been a rollercoaster of unhappiness if we invited him in.” My kids are happy, well adjusted young adults. Good luck to you!

    • Good advice, Rachel. Thank you for sharing.

    • I understand, Theresa. It’s not easy to stop loving someone who you thought loved you. We meet so few people in this life and open up to even fewer. It hurts when we are faced with the reality that the love just stopped. It was switched off on their end. And then we must do the same. But that’s simply impossible, right?

      I recommend to many to visit the site Safe Relationships Magazine of the Institution for Relational Harm Reduction:
      http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com

      The site is run by Sandra L. Brown, MA and Jennifer Young, LMHC. Sign up for their newsletter. They also offer individual retreats throughout the year if it’s something you can do for yourself, now or in the near future.

      Rachel offers some great advice above. The only advice I would add is to teach your daughter about boundaries and love her and be the best mother you can be to her. Model love and kindness.

      ~Paula

    • I wish you the very best, you and your baby girl deserve the best.These people love court room drama, mine did anyways.

  45. hi, new here… at the hands of a narcissitic sociopath/pschycopth… i broke up with him in 2009… by 2011 he fully realised i was serious all along.. he then kidnapped me, beat me and tried to murder me… any one who takes these people lightly shuld think again… he destroyed my life, my family, my businesses.. all because i wouldnt sit down, shut up and do what i was told. If they want to hurt you… they will find a way to destroy everything in your life and be sure they watch you as you realise you have lost everything in your life and its their smile you see and you drop to your knees… to take this subject and these people so lightly is a huge mistake…

    • Carla,
      I am so sorry you went through what you went through. Thank you for reinforcing how dangerous these people are and that, as a society, we shouldn’t just brush these types aside. Regardless of their age, young or old, just because they have never been arrested, committed a felony, or had a report filed against them doesn’t mean they are harmless. The attacks and abuse come like a storm, like an ambush. It’s truly difficult for many to imagine and understand. Narcissistic sociopaths act in reaction to something dark and evil inside of them. The victim honestly never sees it coming in the beginning and once it arrives, it’s too late to simply walk away or get out quietly and without a fight. Careful planning and a lot of wishing and hoping is involved. I can’t imagine the nightmare you suffered. I hope you are finding ways to heal and recover and move on to a better life.
      ~Paula XOXO

  46. Lived with one with devastating consequences

  47. Everything you have written here fits my husband’s ex-wife to the T! She has manipulated attorneys and the State to get more child support by sending a letter stating that he never see’s his kids, never pays for anything extra, and that there is no place for his kids to sleep at our house even though we bought full size bunk beds from her so her two kids would have somewhere to sleep when they are here at our house. I bought my house when it was just me and my son. It is only a two bedroom, one bathroom house. When my husband and I got married, we filled the house. There isn’t much room and we bought those bunk beds to accomidate them, and my son is not so happy about it, but we tried.

    She works for an attorney and helped us get the process started for my husband to adopt my son. Then she states in the letter to the State that my husband only adopted him so he wouldn’t have to pay her more child support.

    Oh, I could write for days about all of the stories she has made up, lies she has told on my husband and myself. things that she (an adult) has said about my young son, the flip flop crazy moods where she hates me and then wants to be my best friend, says that she goes overboard to do things for me and I take advantage of her when it is really the other way around,

    She has emailed me all kinds of ridiculous things. I would get long emails about how horrible my husband is to my son and then she would use her position at the law firm she works for stating that she will contact so and so and tell them complete lies. After 9 years of dealing with her, I have finally responded to her email telling her not to contact me anymore.

    Since I have done so, she has contacted my husband on several occassions. To start, she tells him that I had the nerve to tell her not to contact me and that I am trying to get him put in jail. Next, she says that I am not allowed to come to the kids ballgames. She then has one of their sons call him and tell him that he can sit by their Mom at their games. My husband asked if someone told him to say that and he said his Mom did. She then gets on the phone and tells him, “We were once in love so you could sit by me!” She has a childs mind and is stuck in high school because Facebook is so important to her, and she got so upset when my husband wouldn’t accept her friend request and was mad because I deleted her as a friend on Facebook.

    She recently got divorced again because she was cheating on her second husband as well. Even though she was the cheater, she filed for divorce and told everyone that he was cheating on her the entire time they were married. Making him out to be the bad guy and her the victim. The same she did to my husband.

    Now, she has our last name and told my husband that she hopes I don’t have a problem with it because I will just have to get used to it because she was a “our last name” first and she was married to him first. Why that matters, I don’t understand because she filed for divorce from my husband too. I figured her last name would go back to matching the kids. That’s pretty standard.

    She lies to their kids. She makes them pick sides and tells them that we are horrible and we don’t care about them, and they are constantly under pressure. I really wish there was a way that people like this could be committed for treatment. I can only hope that her horrible mental illness will not be passed on to the kids because they are being raised in “her” home and hearing “her” version of events and she is “always” the victim.

    I recently went to a ballgame with my husband. She was livid. She gave me these horrible stares the entire game. Between games, she made several jestures to get me to look at her so I did. She mouthed, “Straight, Trash, B)(*&! You are not supposed to be here!” I just smiled and waived at her. She gave me a little smart smile moving her chin to her shoulder and looked away. Not that she didn’t keep tyring to get my attention the rest of the night, but I just let her stew because I am done with the childish games she plays. Since I don’t want anything to do with her, she is trying to get back with my husband. I have no fear of this ever happening. She is just a complete nut case.

    I am just glad that I saw this blog. You have helped me to realize that I do not want her near my son at all. I didn’t want her near him before I read this, but I am now afraid of what her mental illness could do to my son. I’m just sad that we can’t just move away from her. My husband has kids with her and we love them dearly. If it wasn’t for that….our lives would be far less complicated.

    • Personal,

      I apologize for not responding to your post sooner. I follow a wonderful blogger who is the stepparent and new wife to a husband whose ex-wife is very much like your husband’s ex. I think you would find her posts reinforcing and helpful:

      http://www.kimberlyharding.wordpress.com.

      Thank you for sharing your story and experience with all of us!

      Paula

  48. Are these caregivers caught on a video surveillance sociopaths by virtue of them actually KNOWING they were being filmed and they still abused their patient. Someone told me they thought it was because they were sociopaths who actually like the challenge of not being caught, as if they could be smarter than the camera or in some way in their twisted minds, thought nobody would ever check the camera? It’s hard to understand why someone knowing their on camera would still committ crimes, but we see people walk into stores, schools and other places where it’s common knowledge there are cameras recording them, so what’s up with that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiFEVTzGBU

    • Very disturbing but not surprising. It goes along with a sociopath’s belief that who they are and what they do are above us all.

  49. Hi Paula. I married a sociopath, stayed with him for 19 years. Married for 16. I asked him to go 16 months ago. I can’t tell you the pain I’ve been through. I have 2 children who were scared of him but they didn’t say until he left. They don’t see him now at all. I knew things didn’t make sense through our time together like when his father died, barely a tear, when our dog died, no tears. He use to look at me like I was sick because it took me time to get over losing a pet or friend in my life. Its like I was saying his faults to him but didn’t have a clue that I was on the right track. I’ve never been as low as this in my life. I’m so addicted to him, I have no self worth and can’t put myself first for anything, god knows why. I tried to kill myself towards the ens 3 times cos I felt I’d lost the man I loved and cos I had lost my family unit. I struggle everyday not to contact him, no contact is my only way of not being abused anymore and manipulated by him. He had affairs and syphoned our money into his bank accounts, lied and abused friends and family. I could go on but I think we all know what they do by now. I so wish I’d walked away years ago and feel such a complete twat for putting up with him. Please help, I still feel so drawn to him. Is it love or addiction. Yours sincerely Sue.

    • Sue,

      I am so sorry you are going through this pain. You know your husband is abusive, but you still miss and love him. You feel empty without him and like your life is worthless and without meaning. You describe the essence of addiction.

      You are addicted to your toxic relationship. Many are, but you, unlike most, recognize your addiction and want to be set free. There is hope, Sue.

      My recommendation to you is to seek a professional with expertise in relationships, PTSD, and relational abuse. More than likely you have some secrets about yourself and your marriage that you have never shared. You probably have secrets about your life before your marriage that you need to dissect. A counselor can help you carefully explore your history, so you can understand the root cause of your addiction.

      Most people settle with the pain and suffering that addiction and toxic relationships inflict and never seek to change and be transformed. You have already taken the first step out of your suffering toward freedom by asking him to leave. Now it’s time to work on yourself and to learn about and understand what makes Sue special, unique, and worthy of a better life.

      If you can’t do it for yourself at first, do it for your children. You are blessed.

      The following site is a great place to start. They have many years of experience working with victims and survivors. They understand how recovery works and that we are all unique in our healing needs.

      http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/

      ~Paula

    • Wow Sue, thanks for sharing because now I know I’m not alone in admitting that I love my Ex thinking about him daily, but truely hating everything he ever did to me in what was a pathetically abusive relation of 18 years. I know him better than anyone and that gives me the right to try to stay somewhat detached from him. Find the quote on the web “You never stop loving someone, you just learn to try to live without them. It is so hard! but with faith in God, you will recover. It is such a long and painful journey of healing. You and I try to get past the fairytales that we lived as a by-product of the waterglobe-life married to a sociopaths.

    • Hi Paula, thank you for the information you gave me, i will make good use of it. I have been totally open about what my ex did o me and i also found his first wife that he was married to for four years. He told me she had left him for another man, it turns out that he raped her on the night she left him and never ever set eyes on him again afterwards. He raped me too just after we were married but some how i shut it away until the night i opened the door to him. I looked at his face and boom i remembered. I need to hate him but cant find it. The good news is is that i have councelling starting soon and yes i know that all of this goes way back into your childhood where you tried so hard to be loved and didnt succeed especially by my father. Im so glad people like you are here, open and honest otherwise what would become of us. X

    • I’m really happy that you will be starting counseling soon, Susan. And there is no need to hate him. I, too, have tried but can’t do it because it just ends up hurting me and the people I love. I discovered that acceptance of myself allowed me to accept what happened without feeling the need to have all of the “whys” answered. With acceptance, the anger and desire to hate vanished. Kind of like magic. Poof!! :)

  50. Thanks for the reply..i have several friends who tell me to not move out make him move..i dont neednor do i want the house or responsibilities i am just looking for anyone currently going through the same instances..i.e.,bullying the kids for no valid reason, yelling when we dont drop what we r doing to help him, like he is a ruler of the universe or whatever is going thru his controlling mind when hes home maybe 3days a week…i couldcarry on but will stop here..i didnt agree to this narcistic marriage the day i married him…

  51. For anyone going thru any form of npd, its ok to talk with a professional..also, take care of yourself first..the sooner you get stronger,the better you will be able to press on and not allow the narcistic person to control you. Ive come to grips that I cant change him but I can change,get stronger and not put up with it

  52. I guess what Iam trying to decide is how,financially, i will make it with2 kids,one with special needs…Ive been a fulltime mom and have a part time job during school. I sense signs of his verbal n emotional turning physical, he is becoming more aggressive towards the kids..help please..i did meet an atty who thinks i can make it with alimony and child support..

    • Jacke,
      I am sorry you and your children are dealing with this. It’s important that your attorney understand your fears and the kind of man your soon-to-be ex-husband is. Many times lawyers are manipulated and fooled along with the rest of us. Press for full disclosure of his financials ASAP. Don’t allow him time to hide his assets. You have children that need support but this man doesn’t care. I’m sure you see that by now. With careful planning, you and your children will be fine. You’ll prosper and blossom out of his control. A new beginning is waiting for you. Keep that in mind at all times. Be courageous and positive and don’t allow him to influence your thoughts and decisions. It’s very difficult to brush that devil off your shoulder but that’s exactly what he is. I’ll be writing a new post this week with a list of great books and resources that might be helpful to you. Take care. :)

  53. This site is an eyeopener as one going through a tough marriage.I was unaware I married an angry,controlling narcistic,voolitale man. I am going to buy this book..its unfortunate that more peoplearent aware of this npd

  54. quite a list of trates and flaws however as always not much counter suggestions to use in dealing with the disorder rffectively on on interpersonal side.

    • The best way to deal is to walk away. This blog brings awareness to this personality disorder so that those being abused or who escaped the abuse can understand what hit them so they can begin their healing and recovery. These types are not capable of true interpersonal give and take because all they do is take. Any attempts to change them or fix them is futile. Sad but true. It’s better to focus on fixing ourselves than worrying about these lost and despicable abusers. If that seems heartless, you’ve never experienced one for yourself and should feel lucky and blessed unless you are one yourself.

  55. Is there somewhere for guys to read up on traits of female sociopaths/narcassists? My girlfriend seems devoid of real remorse for her cheating and incapable of empathy. She has told some outlandish lies, the kind of which I’ve never seen. There are many more problems but I can’t list them all here. Just want to get pointed in the right direction as there doesn’t seem to be much on the female equivalent and would like to see more about it and what if anything can be done.

    • I guess what I’m trying to figure out is if woman who fit the mold of narcissist/sociopath might display it differently, for example not with violence or such overtly violent or bombastic tendencies.

    • Yes, there’s http://www.shrink4men.com/ . Lots of stuff there, which I’ve used in dealing with my own female narc.

    • Thank you, Nyssa. That’s a great site.

    • You may also want to look at all of the Cluster B personality disorders, specifically Borderline Personality Disorder. Remember, even if you can’t pinpoint what could be wrong with her, you recognize that your relationship is toxic and filled with emotional and spiritual abuse, among other things. Put yourself first for a change. Think about your feelings since she can’t. You deserve to be partnered with someone who loves you completely and I’d willing to be accountable and not always shifting blame to others. :)

    • Google -NPD /melanie tonia evans .she coversmale & female.She also has a questionaire that tells if they have NPD.I used my husband traits to see if he was one & yes he is.She jhas everything you need to know.Once you have looked up all of this .go on My Emotional Vampire..men and woman on that also.gives you an insight into npd.And like Paulas it is a very friendly blog.Hope this helps ….Marilyn

  56. Thank you for sharing this helpful information. While I would never wish this experience on anyone, it helps to know I wasn’t alone. After years of therapy

  57. Narcissistic Personality Disorder versus Narcissistic Sociopath is there a difference between the two terms?

    • also how do you tell if someone may also have borderline personality disorder?

    • Zeyra,
      Thank you for all of your recent comments. I am going through them all now and pulling together some resources for you. Answering this question is not easy. Generally, individuals who suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder also suffered some sort of intense trauma as a child. Sometimes it’s known to the sufferer and others, sometimes it’s a secret the sufferer holds close, sometimes it’s a trauma only others know and the sufferer is unaware of, and sometimes neither the sufferer nor others know a past trauma exists. BPD is a tough one to diagnose. It’s also a disorder many abusers accuse their victims of having and with good reason because we are experiencing a trauma and reacting with many characteristics of those suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder. But to be BPD, a person would need to demonstrate a certain behavioral pattern over an extended period of time. If you go to the Resources page of http://www.myemotionalvampire.org, select the link to Borderline Personality Disorder to learn more. I hope that helps you. :)

    • Zeyra,
      All sociopaths are narcissists suffering with NPD but not all people who suffer from NPD are sociopaths. I tack on “Narcissistic” so those learning about sociopaths keep in mind the connection to NPD and start there. Many suggest that Anti-social Personality Disorder sums up the two (NPD and Sociopathy) easily, also. ~Paula

  58. Anonymous said:

    Very helpful to read your article. I am sure my ex-husband is a narcisstic sociopath as I can tick every single behavioural trait yet can’t do that for anyone else I know. I have also found the comments useful particularly from Tabi to Ronda about not responding as there is no point. Our son I am glad is not at all like his father but I am keen to protect him from his influence. Luckily his father is I think out of spite and fury because I am controlling access refusing to see him at all. While we were together it was harder to pin point as he was so manipulative and was so good at lying. However after we split up and a lot of unpleasant truths about him emerged he dropped the mask and I’ve seen him for who he is. It’s quite scarey that there is just emptiness behind his eyes where other people have a conscience. I used to think he was very calm but then he had these random angry outbursts where he was violent towards his children (my step-children) which is why I put an end to the relationship along with never ending infidelity. Now I can see why that was. I couldn’t understand why when we were together he was so cold and unemotional no matter what was going on. He would fake friendliness/empathy/kindness and even had a different pitch to his voice when he was doing it like he was playing at being another person. He had lots of people he would go and see or talk to but said none of them were his friends, they all seemed to serve a purpose of some kind. Anyway I guess all of us who have been with someone like this have got lots of terrible experiences. My biggest shock was realising I have no idea who I was married to and probably never will. It has certainly made me wary of very charming, dominant men.

    • That was the frightening part for me, too. Even though he was overtly narcissistic and emotionally and verbally abusive, it wasn’t until I escaped did I see the degree of his disordered and dark mind. I digested and went back and forth in my mind occasions and incidents and asked my family and even had HIS friends reach out to me to offer their insight. But, as you note, I will never REALLY know what or who that person was/is. I honestly don’t care. I just know I want no part of him or his delusional and enabling family.

  59. I live with a horribly abusive sociopath who has destroyed the relationship I had with my only child. I am 57; I support this gross parasite, and socially isolated. I want to get out but am afraid. Ideas?

    Thanks

    PS. I totally agree with the distinction between psychopath and sociopath; my husband does have a broken conscience. Does me little good but his ego clearly has its vulnerabilities

    • Janet,
      Everyone who has been where you are now knows what a difficult position you are in. The first step, is to free yourself from your place of co-dependence. Otherwise, you’ll keep coming up with reasons and excuses to stay and remain in his dungeon. There is a great book that could help get you started: “Co-dependent No More” Plus, if you have access to private counseling, that would be reinforcing. And keep reading stories of others who have left and learn from them how they did it. Everyone’s circumstances are different, but everyone needed to find the strength and courage to put ourselves first. :)

    • Margaret Turner said:

      Read the book, Toads and the Women Who Kiss Them, Aunt Alex’s Army Manual:How To Free Yourself From the Narcissist buy ALexandra Nouri

    • I’ll check it out. Thank you, Margaret.

  60. There is a difference; however thin, between a psychopath and a sociopath, which Dr. Robert D. Hare also clearly explains in his referenced book “Without Conscience”. a psychopath is one who is born without a conscience, while a sociopath is one who is a product of his environment and upbringing. A sociopath, unlike the psychopath, does have a conscience, yet warped. They have certain moral codes of their own, if broken, they can feel guilt, while a psychopath has none.

    • Oh, yes. Many of us are familiar with the distinction between psychopath (never a conscience; never empathy) and the sociopath (part-time conscience; manifested empathy). I see the value in the distinction for researchers and people interested in understanding what makes these disordered minds click. However, the distinction serves no purpose to the victim or survivor. In my opinion, a part-time conscience is the same as no conscience. You either have a full conscience or you don’t. No healthy person with a conscience and empathy deserves to go into a relationship with someone who may or may not have a conscience or empathy and who may or may not have one under certain circumstances. Neither a sociopath nor psychopath has any business being in a relationship with a good person who sees the world through a healthy lens. Born or made. Neither deserves my pity, forgiveness, or sympathy if they are hurting people. Thanks for commenting, Juditta.

    • marilyn-uk said:

      I see your point juditta,however with a sociapath surely if they have even the smallest piece of conscience born from their environment & upbringing.As an adult..they still have a choice to go on the right path.My upbringing was horrendous, abused sexually, emotionally abused and beaten most of the time.Yet even as a child i new that I wasnt going down the same road as my parents etc.so we can make good choices to be a warm emotional human being.Its whether or not they want too.Its called CHOICE!!!and I agree with Paula,if they are hurting people, they made the WRONG choice so I have no sympathy.If people dont have a conscience whether its part-time(sociapath) they dont have a heart….enough said..

    • This is so spot on!

  61. Anonymous said:

    I am going through a very rough and dangerous time with my exhusband who I suspect is a narc. sociopath. My children have to visit with him, and it’s terrifying. I never know if I will see them again. He manipulates and controls every scenario possible and cares nothing about the kids – only in that he uses them to control me. He’s high up in law enforcement at the federal level, and lied his way in. I don’t know what to do to protect my kids and myself any further than what I’ve been doing. He’s gotten out of retraining orders (despite the use of weapons to threaten myself and others), child abuse cases, and much more. He has an unlimited source of parental money, and can continually sue/appeal for more custody. I feel like I could write a book, and I’m terrified of what the ending might be. I wish someone could help… but no one can. He doesn’t leave ‘proof’. It’s he/said she/said, and he lies and manipulates to make his actions seem reasonable. I’m terrified for my kids. I wish I had some help, or some judge or authority figure that could help us.

    • Anonymous,
      It’s difficult when the abuser is in a position of power or has powerful friends. However, if he is manipulating you and emotionally blackmailing and abusing your children, chances are he’s doing it to others he comes into contact on a regular basis. There are people out there who don’t like him, I guarantee it! The key is having patience, documenting everything, and appearing 100% compliant. Your children’s safety is riding on your ability not to react emotionally to him or his behavior. But you need to confide in someone other than a close family member about your fears. You need to tell someone your story. The entire story: How you met. What it was like before you married him. What it was like while you were married to him. What it’s like now. The full story must be shared and understood. Your behavior needs a clear reason. What were his actions that resulted in your reactions? People don’t suspect a person is evil for no good reason. It’s a built up of many, many months and years of poor and worsening behavior and demonstrated lack of remorse or empathy. What are the names he liked to call you or continues to call you? What demeaning language does he use with the children? What were his common ways of responding to you when your opinions countered his own? Healthy people don’t resort to degrading tactics when in arguments or disagreements with those they supposedly love/d. Healthy people don’t try keeping their children from being with the other parent no matter how emotionally unstable or distraught the parent may be. A healthy person finds the parent help in order to be the best parent he/she can be for the children. If you look at your ex-husband as a father who lacks necessary parenting skills of love, affection, compassion, and empathy, you may be able to convince a judge to have him undergo a psychological evaluation. But YOU can’t appear emotionally charged or irrational. You need a lot of support and people you trust in your corner. You need to change everything about how you cope and deal with your ex- husband. There is no easy solution and there is not definitive answer when trying to protect your children. Me telling you not to be too emotional probably isn’t what you want to read, either. What has worked for you to date when protecting your children? What hasn’t worked?

  62. Anonymous said:

    I am going through a very rough and dangerous time with my exhusband who I suspect is a narc. sociopath. My children have to visit with him, and it’s terrifying. I never know if I will see them again. He manipulates and controls every scenario possible and cares nothing about the kids – only in that he uses them to control me. He’s high up in law enforcement at the federal level, and lied his way in. I don’t know what to do to protect my kids and myself any further than what I’ve been doing. He’s gotten out of retraining orders (despite the use of weapons to threaten myself and others), child abuse cases, and much more. He has an unlimited source of parental money, and can continually sue/appeal for more custody. I feel like I could write a book, and I’m terrified of what the ending might be. I wish someone could help… but no one can. He doesn’t leave ‘proof’. It’s he/said she/said, and he lies and manipulates to make his actions seem reasonable. I’m terrified for my kids. I wish I had some help, or some judge or authority figure that could help us.

  63. marilyn-uk said:

    Go Paula,On Hegros comments. WHAT A CHUMP…like I said before to the other idiot Darryl…..

    To be irritated by your comments is to acknowledge it was deserved.

    • Thank you, Marilyn. I did delete it finally. It’s not healthy for anyone to read that kind of ignorance. :) (And your comment was put in the review queue only because you used their names in your comment. Hehe!!)

  64. And come up with a better insult than “borderline,” Please!!! That’s old. Ineffective. And so cliche!! Haha!

    • I dont quite understand why he would be on here if he thinks this way, unless he is a NS himself and likes to spread his victim portfolio to people online :/

    • Exactly, Max. I had to delete his comment because it’s abusive and doesn’t help anyone. Not even him. :)

  65. Bahaha! I am leaving your comment up, because it’s so absurd and speaks to exactly what I write about–ABUSE!! Way to go, Hegro. Coward! You won’t even provide a real email address. But I have your IP address, dummy. :)

  66. How many of the sociopathic traits are supposed to apply?

    The funny thing is, when I look at that list thinking of my ex-friends, when one doesn’t fit a trait, the other one does. The two of them together make up at least one sociopath… ;)

    • How old are your ex-friends? Many teenagers and young adults display many, many narcissistic traits and behavior. As our brains continue to develop and we experience more life and learn better cognitive skills, we shed ourselves of those relationship-damning narcissistic traits. :)

    • One will soon be 40, and the other must be about 31 or 32.

    • What are their overlapping qualities from the list? Were they also friends with each other? It’s a funny thing. Friends who have been friends since childhood tend to be REALLY childish when together, even after they reach adulthood. I’m sure there’s a name psychiatrists have come up with with this type of behavioral regression. Hehe!

    • Actually, they’re married to each other.

      It’s things like, he fits #20, 15, 13, 9, 11, 2, 1, possibly others; I suspect him to have been very manipulative and deceptive as well. She fits #11, 10, 8, 6, 3, and I’ve noted various times when she has lied and manipulated. This is just based on the short time I knew them, so they could fit other points as well.

    • Holy cow!! I’m sure there are others. Are they still married? I think these types just feed each other and are the best matches they can find. But they can be deadly for outsiders…

    • As far as I know. They’re the ones who threatened me and started stalking my blog.

    • Makes total sense. I hope they are far, far away from you. Sometimes a sociopath is “lucky” enough to meet a kindred soul, another sociopath. The majority of the time, the sociopath must “make” his/her own kindred spirit by destroying the spirit of a vulnerable “good” person and molding that person into the sociopath’s image. It seems they play “well” off of each other. If you knew either as children or teenagers, you might be able to figure out what this couple represents.

    • No, I met them on the Net several years ago. Unfortunately, they now live just a few neighborhoods away from me. :P Sometimes they show up at my church; we see them around town from time to time.

      But they’ve told me plenty about their pasts. The wife comes from a narcissistic family with a borderline/MPD mother and a con man and molester for a father. She has a fierce temper which she turned on me.

      The husband was actually a preacher for a time, faked speaking in tongues for the congregation, was rising in the ranks. I’m told some televangelists wanted him to go that route. But back in Bible college–yes, Bible college–he would help out a friend and girlfriend whose families were in the Mafia. Running smuggled jewels between Las Vegas and LA, acting as a thug, that’s what he would do. It seems hard to believe, but he told a mutual friend the same thing. Then a couple years ago, he choked one of his daughters until she passed out. He just got off probation for that. He also tells me he can hypnotize people without them knowing, that he did this to me.

      …And these people lived in my house for a time. They were hard up, I had no idea of their past, I let them stay….UGH. We kept helping them out with bills, or food, or whatever….Now we feel used and manipulated. I see their lawsuit threat as a way to extort more money out of us, especially since I see no legal basis for it. I don’t use their names, I just write about my experiences with them. Apparently they see it as me “threatening” them that I keep speaking out and would go to my priest for counseling and help.

    • Horrible people. Both of them. They are empty threats. There is nothing they can do. Novelists write about their experiences all the time. It’s called free speech. If they recognize themselves in what you write and it causes them duress, they should stop reading it. People get “bothered” by a lot of things other people have to say or write. They should stop listening and reading. They have no grounds for a suit even a “by association” argument. If what you write are lies, they should just laugh it off. Otherwise, maybe they should think about behaving better in the future. :)

    • Yeah, but they seem to be obsessed with checking out what I write. :D It’s been 7 months since their threat to sue me for defamation if I went to my priest. Well, I went to my priest the very next day. At first I took down my blog in fear, but then I put it back up again in defiance. And to this day I have not been served any lawsuit papers.

    • Did they think they can subpoena a priest?!?! A confession to a priest or clergy is protected. Do they think you’re stupid or just that afraid of them? I’d post the name of the boy in my story all over the Internet if I thought it mattered. It doesn’t because what I write about and what you write about is bigger than those losers. My goal was for him to be made aware of how I really think/thought of him. I made that goal months ago and now i am on to bigger goals. You too!!!

    • Yep, they know for sure now what I think of them. :)

    • It’s also funny that they act so concerned about what I post that they check it weekly, sometimes two or three times a week. I don’t even open comments, and most of my hits are from Google searches. Do they really think my blog will do anything at all to their reputations?

    • Their biggest fear is getting “found out!” Getting found out causes them lots of anxiety and stress. They should have thought about that before they treated you the way they treated you. Reputation hinges on word-of-mouth. They should learn to be nicer to people. Regardless of mistakes a person makes, people will still like and respect you if you are honest and willing to take responsibility. Their threats prove they deserve a bad reputation. You must work for a good one, right!?! :)

    • I also noted that while they accused me of “false facts” and said they “had a good laugh” at the things I wrote, and said that I “didn’t have all the facts” about the choking incident–They just called me crazy and threatened to sue me. But there was absolutely no attempt to point out *what* was false, explain things I may have misunderstood or gotten wrong, or anything at all to make me think I could have gotten anything wrong. I have no idea what they considered “false” and can only speculate. They gave no additional information about the choking incident than what I got from official sources. All I know is that I did not lie and did my best with the information and experiences I had, from being an eyewitness and a confidant, and having a mutual friend with more information. I looked over my accounts again and again, and could find no lies. Wouldn’t you think that if there really was anything incorrect, they would explain it? No attempt even to apologize for hurting my feelings. No attempt to clear up misunderstandings. Just flinging more abuse at me and saying they did nothing wrong. Amazing.

    • They laughed because they initially thought it was exciting and fun to know you were talking and writing about them. (Narcissistic supply but fleeting). The laughter subsided when they realized no one else would think their behavior was funny. They panicked and sent you the threat of a suit. They are small in mind and spirit. They deserve to be found out.

  67. Anonymous, I do empathise. I cry for my ex every day. He is a complex wonderful man deprived of the ability to reap the fruit of life by his condition. He destroys the lives of the very people he loves and the closer and deeper his affection for them the more he destroys. What an awful paradox. I understand him, empathise deeply for his pain but sadly I must feel my own pain and keep away for good before he kills me and believe me he very nearly did. It will take a long time to clear up the mess left over.

    • You sound just like me! It is incredible. I fell hard for this man. The funny thing is I fell for him without any good reason. He lied to me from day one! We got together one day then the next he was with his ex-girlfriend! I didn’t found out the truth until 11 months later. He began to watch porn and I found out about it. He swore he wasn’t gonna watch it anymore. We broke up one time and I went back to his house an hour later and he was watching porn! He then got on these adult websites lookin for sex! That’s where he needs to be since he doesn’t care for anybody. He tries to make it like I’m the bad person. He is an alcoholic and had been sober for 6 yrs and then blamed me for his drinking. He uses God as a cover. He tries to act like he is getting right with God so people will think he is a good person. I’m so glad to be away from him. I really loved him but I know I’m better off without him. He can be violent especially when I call his friends. He is so afraid of being exposed! I exposed him to one of his religious friends who thought he was living a christian life but he was sleeping with me. He didn’t know he was dating. He was so mad and hasn’t spoken to this man in almost 2 yrs. Be glad u r away from this person. It really hurts but there is only pain with these people!

    • I read about both of your comments, exactly like mine. I’m in processing divorce now. Still miss him like crazy :( , but i knew I have to let go and move on. He is a bad person with bad behavior. Thank you for sharing.

  68. I can see how the victims can feel. But for once, please empathize with how the narcissistic sociopath would feel too. Nobody becomes one without reason. I voice this strongly because I am one. I regret my actions because of the hurt I have caused. Is there a way out of this?

    • Its great that you have accepted your condition and feel regret. That is an enormous feat. I do know that my ex brother in law had a step father who treated him much the same as he now treats others. His brothers dont seem to have come away with the same issues, but they all definitely have them. It is important to remember that fact. But at the same time, it is difficult to feel anything for a man who has abused his children their entire lives. The trouble with this particular condition, is those who dont come to terms with it, mostly feel what is described above in the article. Superior, above everyday responsibilities, that those around him are tools for his manipulation games. Maybe somewhere deep inside, he does know what he is doing is wrong but then again, he had a loving wife who looked after him and stuck with him for fourteen years. He had three children who adored him regardless of how he treated them! He was in a positive loving environment. I too feel strongly, that if he had any remorse at all, any regrets for the way he treated his children and my sister, then he would have shown some sign by now. Instead he continuously hurts the children and uses them as a tool to get to my sister. He has been abusing her since she was fourteen! I think her empathy is now on zero! It is different in all cases. In some cases such as yourself, i do believe that both the narcissist and his victims can work together to each overcome their problems. As you say, the narcissist is most likely a victim too. However, like with any problems, if you know youre hurting other people as a result, it is your responsibility and no one else’s to seek help. If this is what you have done, then you are the hope that all the people on this forum look for!

    • It sounds like you’re making a good start. If only my partner had had the humility to accept he had a problem we could have worked through it but he was sadly unable or unwilling to respect me as his equal.Life is unfortunately humbling at times and by taking a deep breath and taking five before reacting it can be possible to change how we respond. Also I guess by thinking about how you’d feel if someone said or did the same to you how would you feel. To be honest I doubt that a true sociopath would have the insight to do this or feel any remorse at all or even reflect on someone else’s pain. My ex laughed at and ridiculed my pain as it reinforced to him just how weak and inferior I was to him. Take care.

    • Anonymous: i am now feeling sorry for the people that I have run into with Sociopathy, Narcissism, and/or Borderline. These people will never truly feel love, everything is a manipulative and “using” situation. Yes, I feel sorry for how alone these people must feel, never ever feeling truly connected…but the damage that is inflicted to the innocents can never be forgiven. That is until the sociopath, narcissist, and/or borderline makes amends with those that they harmed.

      I believe AA has a step in the recovery process where making amends with those people that the addict harmed in the past is required to move on to the other steps.

      I think any one with a destructive personality disorder can benefit off of the steps involved in AA. People harmed by you or others with a personality disorder can at the least allow some healing for others with your heartfelt remorse for previous bad behaviors…and perhaps your own recovery may ensue…

      But to be “heartfelt” about anything, you must open up and expose your soul…the people that I’ve encountered with destructive personality disorders cannot/will not do that…and this is unfortunate for everyone involved (victim and perpetrator).

  69. Wish there were more men like yourself,the world would be better place.I suppose we have a melting pot of people to make the world go around.Marilyn.Uk

    • As long as you dont close yourself up and build a barrier around yourself, then you will be open for those few special people who are good and honest when they come along!They are out there, but if you let him destroy your confidence and your trust in people, the good ones will pass you by without you even knowing. The trick is learning to let people in but spot the negative ones who are no good for you and show them to the door. If you can surround yourself with positive people and work everyday to live happily, his power over you will be lost forever, and it will all feel like a bad dream. Then you can pity the poor man who will never know true love or happiness, and feel good that you can and will!

    • Yes there is a step where u have to make amends in AA but how many of these people are going to b honest? Most of them don’t have the ability and if they do it it is only for the sake of keeping up the pretense of being good people. I’m not a big fan of AA only because most of them need some serious psychotherapy!

    • I agree! I haven’t figured out why they are so against counseling from professionals. :)

    • Paula, the reason they are against counseling is because they are perfect, they are not the ones with the problem. You are, at least thats what they will always tell you. I am almost over getting a divorce from my wife. It started out beautiful and ended up a total mess, I am substantually poorer but wiser. Four and a half years and I should have pulled the divorce trigger 2 years ago, But 5 different counselors later trying to sort it out was a complete waste of time and money. All I can say to anyone is, once you know, get out as fast as you can! It only gets worse!

    • I agree 100%, Joe. Any attempt to engage the crazy-making, will simply beget more crazy-making BS. I’m glad you survived. Money can always be re-earned. Our minds are much more difficult to replenish. But it’s VERY possible! It happens every day. :)

  70. Hi Max,
    Thanks for your comment,it really helped.I refer to narcisistic people as narcs because the majority of comments seem to use the word.I thought it was a american slang word,but not sure…..??? i am trying not to get sucked into my husbands emotional detachment that he uses frequently.And now have started therapy which started last Thursday so hopefully I will eventually be able to get my life back on track,before this monster drowns me emotionally.God Bless.marilyn

    • Well done for seeking help! We are all more than capable of becoming strong again and moving on. I hope you get there soon! Keep positive and never give up!

  71. Hi ,I dont know how old your neice is ,but it could be too late.My middle son turned out like his father,he is 32 now and treats his girlfriend the same way.But she wont listen to meIi guess they think they know better to change’them.If you can find a ounce of empathy with your neice there is hope….As for the courts they need to wake up!!!Fathers for justice is about genuine fathers who have been shut out of their childrens lives ,and the Narcs have just jumped on the back of this to manipulate the system.Have a look at Narcissism/Melonie Tonia Evans.She has article for for children of narc….I am so pleased your sister has moved on.As for her being hard,Im trying to find out myself if this is normal,as im petrified I may turn out like my husband, Im detaching emotionally from my family because he has them believing its me thats crazy.Im not sure how I feel,Im like numb to everyone..Maybe your sister could give me some advice.Marilyn UK

    • Thanks for sharing Marilyn. I think the most important thing to remember and to remind yourself, is that not everyone is like your husband. These types of people are like snake charmers. Sometimes the best thing to do is try and separate yourself from your surroundings and environment and look at everything from a birds-eye view. It sounds like he has ensnared the rest of your family, but in the end, it is a fact that narcs, as you call them, are not good at long term relationships. Eventually they will see the truth and that is all you can hope for. If you can separate yourself from it all and remind yourself of these things, then maybe you wont feel so hurt. Your husband acts the way he does because he has a mental condition. Your family acts the way they do because part of his condition is manipulation and always trying to look his best and come across as a great guy because he needs constant praise and admiration. In that sort of equation, you cant be held accountable for anything. Its not you. I cant think of the word i want, but i think becoming almost like a professional will help to see the situation for what it is. Dont be sucked in to his mind games. Dont let his manipulation get to you. Stay one step ahead, stay confident in yourself, and remember that the blame lies on him, not you. When you feel overwhelmed by something, look over the situation again from this perspective. See things from the view that he is mentally ill. But also remember that he is one man, he doesnt have any real power over you. The power he has is to make you THINK he does. Of course because this is how you have to be to survive these situations, you can become hard, which leads me back to my initial comment. You have to remind yourself that not everybody is like your husband. The world isnt your enemy and not everyone is cruel and manipulative, so its ok to let your guard down with the right people. People in your situation need to try and stay strong and you need to constantly say to yourself, im a person and i dont deserve to be treated like this. We all have the power to make ourselves happy, its just a case of finding the strength to do it. That is the hardest part. I hope you succeed and can one day be free of his grasp! All of this is easy to say but its not easy to do, but i hope in some way it may help a little.

      Best wishes, Max.

  72. Reply to Max, I have been in this for 34 yrs not through choice but through finacial reasons and the fact that he has done the same to me as your sister ex has done by turning everyone against us.I have now found the strength to do something about it.What you need is a good lawyer who understands narcissim,if he dos’nt make him aware.This website is great.print off and show him,also there is another on,go onto google put in narcissism/melonie tonia evans.Her website cover all with help for children as well as how to rid these people for good.Hope your sister gets help hun…Im thinking of her and the children.God bless.Marilyn.United Kingdom

    • Thank you Marilyn. Its such a bizarre situation. I have known him since i was a baby, as he and my sister have been together since she was 14, and there is 11 years between us. I think the worst part is that he has been manipulating them their entire lives. The eldest son in particular has suffered, because he didnt give his dad as much attention and devotion as the other two. He made him sing ‘im a barbie girl’ in public to humiliate him and also lets the daughter choose his punishments if he does something wrong. As a consequence, she has no fear of authority as she believes she is the authority. She tells lies and hides her mums things, just to make her upset. She stole the youngest sons birthday money and hid it in the eldest brothers room, just to get him into trouble. We have taken her to a counselling, my sister gives her so much of her attention and always goes that extra mile to make her feel loved and to try and help her make friends etc, but nothing seems to work. Somehow, the eldest son has come out of this with a darling personality and seemingly no behavioural issues other than his learning difficulties. It is so frustrating to have this sort of abuse going on in front of our very eyes and see it effect the children but being powerless to do anything about it. They have been divorced for a long time now and my sister has remarried. But the courts have spoken and thanks for fathers for justice, sarah has no authority. It would help if the children spoke up more, but the youngest is 9 and he gets terribly upset at the thought of upsetting his dad. He has no qualms with telling the children how upset he will be and how much he will cry if they dont see him. For a long time when he dropped them off, he would focus on the youngest boy saying “i love, ill miss you, im sad youre leaving” and it would go on for about ten minutes until by the time my nephew came in the house he would be hysterical and so upset. He did it on purpose, to show sarah how much the children love him and how terrible she is for separating them.

      Im really happy you found the strength to get out of your situation. Its such an emotionally draining situation. It eats away at you piece by piece. I know my sister wasnt allowed to wear makeup or use the car. She virtually became a recluse. He also used to be funny with food, and she put on a lot of weight. She was too shy to even walk to the shops herself. But she managed to divorce him, take him to court, get a job, and support herself and three children. The effects is that she is now a hard person but it was inevitable for that to happen in order to deal with the situation. He just will never leave. I pray for the day when the children have grown and they can see him for what he really is and choose with confidence to kick him to the curb. I hope with all my heart that my niece has not inherited his condition.

    • Thank you for being so open, Max. I’m working on pulling together more resources to share and will post here once completed. Children desperately need to be heard and put first, even above the rights of their parents in all cases. They are the ones who suffer the most if their needs are ignored.

    • Oh my Paula, my daughter’s children would ALWAYS come in crying when their dad dropped them off, and he would always sit in the driveway with them for about 10 minutes….we never could figure out what was wrong! Thank you for what is most likely a clarification!

      _____

    • Thank you for sharing your advice and perspective, Marilyn. I hope to create a more comprehensive page of resources, especially for those struggling with protecting their children. I’ll post here once done. :)

  73. Thank you for responding. I guess you are right, all we can do is try to clean up his mess as much as possible. I fear in regards to his daughter, the damage is done. Maybe in the future, there will be more awareness about psychological abuse, particularly in regards to divorced adults with children involved. Thanks again.

    • That’s why I keep writing: to bring awareness in hopes of making a change some day. There are people making films, writing their stories, fighting these monsters in court, losing their children to them even after screaming to the courts what is happening. No one seems to want to face reality or want to tackle this. No one in power who could actually make a difference, at least. So, blogs like this keep popping up. More and more victims/survivors are coming forward and telling their stories. There is a movement. I feel it. But the momentum is very hard to maintain. I ask my readers and visitors to share my blog and find others like it to share.

      And it’s never too late to help a child. I know you feel otherwise but just don’t give up on your niece. Change will happen with increased word-of-mouth communications and through empowerment of victims/survivors to tell their stories.

  74. Ana Velez said:

    You just described my Aunt…right down to the T

    • My sister was married to a narcissistic sociopath for years. They have three children. She was finally able to divorce after 11 years of abuse. Unfortunately he has visitation rights to see the kids. He sees them every fortnight and over holidays etc. Some of the things he does to those kids…he threatens to break their toys if they dont do what he wants, he has pornography all over the house which the kids have seen, he tells them he will cry of they dont come to see him, and when one of them doesnt go to see him, he will make an effort to do all the things they like the most with the other two to make them feel shitty about not going. Its disgusting. In regards to the pornography, social services was involved but they did nothing. Its effecting the childrens behaviour and their personalities. She needs him to lose his visitation rights, but how? He is an expert at coming across as a great funny guy. He even convinced all of my sisters friends that she was the bad guy when they got divorced, and they all became his friends and stopped talking to her! He became systematically would show up at the school when my sister was picking up the kids, would become friends with her friends, and when my sister would be invited with her new husband to parties he would be there!! The children cry constantly. But what can we do? How, even with knowing he has this mental condition, can we get him our of out lives? How can we protect the children? Will a court take his mental illness into consideration? What if he isnt professionally diagnosed? Its all well and good having all these articles describing how shitty these people are, but how do we deal with them!!! Please help V____________V

    • Max,
      I wish there were easy answers for what to do when there are children involved. In the U.S., the courts are blind to the emotional abuse of parents with disorders such as narcissism and sociopathy. Parental rights, regardless of how abusive the parent, are placed above children’s rights. Other than keeping a journal of events, there’s little that can be done legally.

      However, children of these types need to learn about boundaries at an early age. They need to understand that the indecent behaviors of others are not a reflection of the children. They need to receive lots of love and reinforcement from the healthy parent. They need to be empowered to speak up when they feel they are bring mistreated. They need to learn that feelings of guilt should be discussed and not tucked away. Bottom line, the healthy parent must be as hands on and as open to communication as possible. Ask the children how they feel and why they feel that way. And always let them know how much they are loved and valued as individuals. The unhealthy parent will try destroying their self worth and self esteem. The healthy parent needs to counter and fight this as much as possible through good old fashioned love and kindness and respect. The children’s emotional needs can’t be abandoned.

      I hope this helps a little. Thanks for commenting. :)

  75. GiRRL_Earth said:

    Holy cow! I read through this post and saw so much of an ex friend in each of these descriptions, especially:

    “In addition to the above two lists of traits, the biggest trait (or magic trick as I like to call it) that makes narcissistic sociopaths so dangerous and effective is their ability to go unnoticed by the rest of us. They can do this, because they are good at pretending (lying) and wearing many masks (again, lying). Simply put, they lie to themselves and everyone else. They lie so much that some of them are convinced of their own lies, which is where evil is born.”

    My ex frenemy had it in for me and I didn’t realize it until the very end, when she put the moves on my husband!!! Thankfully, she is no longer part of my life! I guess I should consider myself lucky.

    • Ana Velez said:

      I had my battles with my Aunt but what put icing on the cake and hell broke loose was when she came on to my Husband and told him she loves him in front of her husband which he didnt even blink because he is so far gone thats how manipulative she is..a woman who raised me and never in my 37 yrs of life ever told me she loved me just plain evil abuse and did that to me….oh boy I let her have it and told her where she could be buried!!

    • I’m sorry, Ana. But I’m glad you can see her for what she is and that her abuse has nothing to do with you and your worth. We are better than the abuse and the abuser. If we keep that in mind, we can look past it and focus on the people who are good and loving. :)

    • GiRRL_Earth said:

      Good for you for standing up to her! It is amazing to me how we all can attract these sociopaths into our lives but often don’t realize until we are in too deep.

    • I’m glad she’s your ex friend. I currently must deal with a narc female, the wife of my husband’s friend, and since learning about these types, I am more willing to put up with her bad behavior and insults because I know they are not a reflection of anything I’ve done or my husband has done. It’s all in her twisted head. :)

    • GiRRL_Earth said:

      I need to learn more about this narc personality… Good for you for taking the higher ground.

  76. I think the vast majority think they are normal, and they are adamently against counseling, counselors and any help of any kind!!!! My daughter’s ex wreaked incredible havoc with her life and the lives of her children. When she got the children into counseling, he called the office and objected. In our state, if one parent objects to counseling, the counselor’s are unable to see or treat the children…………..what a nightmare my daughter has been through……………

  77. Ollie,its nice to hear that you have identified yourself as one.To me that is the first step to getting help.What you need to do is get a good therapist who deals with NPD and stick it out.Listen to what she is saying….Im sure with help you will be able to rectify things in your life and change them for the better.I want to congratulate YOU….because you have accepted that there is a problem.Lots of people with the NPD go around thinking its the normGod bless.Marilyn

  78. I am one and have only realized it, i matched about 8 in the first questions and about 16 in the second, i thought it was just me that i couldn’t hold anything together or hurting people and literally everything above is me, I find it also so hard to stick to things and to finish them through….. no idea what to think now that i can put my whole life into the words “Narcissistic Sociopath”

    any help???

    • If you really think you have issues that you want to change (most sociopaths don’t care to change), I would meet with a counselor or psychiatrist that specializes in personality disorders of this type. There are some self-identified sociopaths who blog and share their perspective, but I don’t know if that would help you or not. Regardless, if you are serious and interested in getting to the bottom of why you do the things you do, find a professional. Some even offer online counseling. You may want to consider reading “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout, PhD. Good luck to you, Ollie.

    • Thank-you Paula, I have never given it any thought at all until the other day when my mum called me Narcissistic, (I should point out i have a fascination of words) so looked it up and started reading it described me pretty well, so i did further investigation and realized that i do all these things and seeing as though this website is one dedicated to helping victims of people like me, I realized early (I am only 18) that this isn’t the person i want to grow into so i shall search for online help groups to try and sort this out early.

      Thank you again Paula :)

    • Ollie, you don’t sound like any sociopath or narcissist I have ever encountered or read about. You seem to have a conscience! It’s highly possible that you are behaving badly for other reasons, and hopefully you and a thoughtful counselor will discover what the reasons might be. Age is on your side, too. And be sure to thank your mother for tossing out the word “narcissist” because even if that’s not what you are, you’ll know how to spot one if you ever encounter one. :)

  79. I WAS LISTENING TO SOME MUSIC THE OTHER DAY ON THE ON THE CAR RADIO.IT WAS CALLED….LOVE IS HERE AND NOW YOUR GONE BY THE SUPREMES 1967,BUTWHE I LISTENED TO THE WORDS IT SUMMED UP A NARCISSIST.I CRIED FOR A WHILE BUT BOY DID IT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER AFTERWARDS. GET IT ON YOUTUBE. TO EVERYONE OUT THERE,MY THOUGHTS AND LOVE GO OUT TO YOU GOD BLESS.
    MARILYN

  80. I reunited with a high school boyfriend on Facebook 15 years later. I was separated from my husband & had just been laid-off from work, so my son and I had temporarily moved in with my mother (which was becoming a stressful situation). I already “knew” this guy, so I automatically trusted him & he became a shoulder to cry on. I didn’t divulge ALL the details of my failed marriage, but I conveyed my feelings of betrayal, disappointment, loneliness, hope for a better future, etc. He said all the right things. His charming personality and overly-confident attitude was very refreshing to me, and I envied his high self-esteem — he was so prideful that I thought, “Here’s a guy who’s got it figured out. He’s enjoying his life, without trying to please everyone else.” I actually thought this was a GOOD thing. (What I didn’t realize: the over-the-top personality and tactless lifestyle were red flags of narcissism.)

    Within a few months, we were talking on a regular basis and essentially “dating”, although he lived two hours away. He came down to our hometown every few weeks, and almost immediately, he wanted me to meet his mother. I was reluctant, due to the fact that my divorce wasn’t final, but he made it clear that I was hurting his feelings by not wanting to meet his parents, so I gave in. (What I didn’t realize: he would eventually my relationship with her against me.) He also rushed me into letting him meet my son, which I was originally against but again, he guilted me… Saying that if I was ashamed to introduce him to my child, then we couldn’t have a future. The relationship was still in the honeymoon phase and I didn’t want to lose it — so I caved. Same scenario with him meeting my parents. My Dad was indifferent, as he often is, but my mother was IMMEDIATELY attuned to his cockiness and made it clear that she didn’t want him over again. She told me he was an asshole and that she wished I wouldn’t get involved with him. I respected her wishes and didn’t invite him back to her house, so we had regular visits at his parents’ house. (What I didn’t realize: always visiting on HIS turf was ‘the beginning of the end’ for my support system.) We continued to talk/text, but when Mom showed her disapproval, I began to schedule my calls for times when she wasn’t around — like when she was at the grocery store, etc. He caught on quickly, and when I fessed up (that Mom wasn’t supportive of the relationship), he began to play the victim. At this point, he’d been nothing but amazing to me, and he played the “Your Mom Doesn’t Want You To Be Happy” card. As much as I loved my mother, his constant buzzing in my ear was getting to me — and the more bad things she said about him, the more I resented her. Soon, she gave the ultimatum: I had to either break up with him, or find another place to stay.

    ** Note: While this was a mean things for my Mom to do, I know now that she was trying a last-ditch tactic to rid me of something she KNEW was going to hurt me. But it backfired. **

    So, with my “Mean Mom” on one hand and my “Loving Boyfriend” on the other, I chose to relocate — and my son and I moved in with him. My mother and I weren’t even talking at this point, and of course, I had no friends/family where he lived. Very, very slowly, the mind games began — sprinkled in between sweet moments. He would say rude and hurtful things, and when I called him on them, he would either accuse me of taking it the wrong way or pretend he was just joking… Then we’d have a nice ‘family outing’ or something to cover up the uncomfortable moment. He got angry over tiny things, like if I chose to read a book instead of watching TV with him, or if my child came down the stairs too early in the morning. If I confronted him about these things, he would find a way to justify his actions or deny it altogether. MIND GAMES GALORE!! [[ I was delusional -- making things up in my head. He had opened up his home to us, so how could I treat him this way after all he'd done for me? No wonder my marriage had failed... No wonder my mother didn't want me around... No wonder my job had chosen to let me go... If he was angry, it was because of something I did. If he was rude, it was because I was rude first. His attitude was always "a direct reflection" of mine (that was his favorite) -- he was mean to me, so I could see how mean I was being to him. And he reminded me that he was the last person I hadn't pushed away yet, so I better be careful. ]]

    As if this brainwashing wasn’t enough, his mother would email me and let me know how much he loved me, and was constantly telling her he wanted to marry me and be together forever. (What I didn’t realize: she knew when we were arguing, but he had been telling HIS version which, of course, always had me to blame… So she would give me pep-talks on “making it work”.) Being broken down by him and being guilted by his mom, without anyone on my side, I started to believe what he was saying. I no longer trusted what I saw or heard; I began to rely on his truths. My self-esteem was dead, and he knew it. He had assumed full control. And to top it off, I had become pregnant.

    The story gets much longer, but the end result is this: the psychological abuse almost caused me to miscarry, and when that didn’t work, he physically attacked me. I found the courage to leave, and my mother took me back willingly. I’m thankful that the rest of my pregnancy was safe and I gave birth to a beautiful baby — who is almost 2 years old. I’m still putting my life back together. I pressed charged, and he was convicted of CDV — and **thank God** has not come forward to take part in my child’s life.

    I guess the comments section isn’t the best place to share my entire store, but in case anyone is reading and needed more examples, here they are. :)

    Thank you so much for your site! I appreciate you for making a site like this… Victims/Survivors need a place to have their experiences acknowledged!!

    • Thank you! What an eye opener these stories are

      _____

    • Mara, your story is so familiar. You and your children are blessed with a good family. If we had only listened sooner. But I believe there is a reason for everything, and time will reveal the secret to us one day. Thank you for sharing. Our lives and our children’s lives are the most precious gifts we are given. Never again will we take that for granted. :)

  81. Daryll,
    All I would say to you is….To be irritated by your critiscism is to aknowledge it was deserved…idiot!!!!

  82. My daughter was married to a narcissistic sociopath for 10 years, He mentally and physically abused her and their 2 daughters. When she finally got brave enough to leave, he used her children to punish her and seek revenge on her. They are now 17 and 23, the 23 year old is completely alienated from her mother and has the classic black/white world of victims, dad good parent, mom bad parent. You cannot tell her anything about what is going on and she has no recollection of anything good of her life with her mom until she was 15. the 17 year old is still on the fence. She is entirely under her dad’s control, but still tries to see her mom The girls have little respect for their mom and all the respect and fear for him. It is made all the worse because he is very wealthy and immediately bought them cars when they were 16, giving him even more control to alieanate them from their mom. Their mom and entire family is out of the older girls life entirely and we are all so sad about that. However, I am so very grateful that my daughter is out of that abusive relationship. I miss my grandaughters and the closeness we once shared.

    • I ache for what you are going through. This type of alienation comes from a place of extreme hate. The poor man hates himself so much that he has zero understanding that children NEED the love and support from both parents. They need their parents to be healthy in body, mind, and spirit. Being away from him has allowed your daughter to be healthy for the day her children come to her with questions. The day may or may not arrive, but when it does, they will know in an instant who the sick parent is and it’s not Mom. Thank you for sharing and commenting.

  83. Yes, when I read how a person, in my case it was my husband, he is a Narcissistic Sociopath, I hate myself. I hate what he did to me and how I didn’t see it. He cheated on my for more than 7 years, I had no idea. I belived every lie he told me, I had no clue what he was doing, what a fool I was. It took almost a year of therapy to
    help me understand him. Now all I have for him is hatred. He’s now on to another girls, well acually three other girls who have no idea what kind of person he really is, and he will and is doing the same thing to them as he did to me.
    They don’t know about each other.
    How sad for them…

    • Hurting,

      Hate is a normal emotion and part of the healing process. When I hated the most, I sat down and wrote. The hatred will eventually dissipate, because we have better lives to live now! You got out! You will rejoice in that soon. Very soon.

      And you are not a fool, but if trusting someone makes us fools, then we’re fools. Always remember that no matter what you said or did, he was going to behave exactly as he behaved–BADLY! You are none of the foul words he called you and you didn’t cause him to cheat. He cheated because he’s a loser and he’s not good. Period.

      You should check out the Facebook page I have listed in the right navigation: My Emotional Vampire. It’s a healing community and has helped many.

      Take care!

  84. Google news story “Alleged Abusive Caregiver has Troubled Past”. It’s about a caregiver Michael Garritson, 61 of Valley Center, California. This evil man is a classic example of a chronic sociopath who has duped his family and others who live inside his sick world. He controls all his children even into adulthood, unless they’re smart enough to escape…he’s in old news story for being a suspect in the murder of a child….also convicted of animal abuse….News stories say Garritson worked as a registered nurse in home health and was caught on tape physically abusing a severely autistic man who couldn’t talk. So scary to think sociopaths like this are working with such vulnerable patients. Nurses like this steal (parasitic lifestyle) from patient’s homes (take medications, supplies) and abuse patients. No telling how many other patients this guy has abused as an RN. Just Horrifying.

  85. marilyn Lundrigan said:

    To the mental health nurse,not much compassion there…..If you have a heart,you have a conscience.you can read all you like in books about mental health.Living with it is different.I will give you an example of the so called professionals.As my husband is a NPD and more.He was seeing a woman in the village i live in and i might add ,still is,2 years ago i begged him not to see her,crying begging like the pathetic person he had made me.I take responsibility for that but i loved him more than myself.He started being sarcastic and real nasty,I was bereft but got annoyed because he was laughing at me.So with anger &frustration I pushed him,with that he went into the kitchen ,got a knife and said….go on stab me,stab me’.I realised what he was doing -took the knife off him put it in the kitchen sink and walked away.Because I didnt react he phoned the police and told them I attacked him with the knife.I had to leave the house.He managed to fool the police by saying to them. I still love her… etc.Paula is right. LIVE IT…THEN GET BACK TO ME.

  86. I believe there are two sides to every story … so I guess that makes me someone with NPD . I believe in compromise…I must suffer from …NPD. I put family essential needs first [seeing this as a success] taking away from what others see as personal success … I could have NPD. The courts , the psychologists, the psychiatrists, the police, neighbours,family,co-workers even priests are all stupid have no qualifications are not good judges of charachter[said with sarcastic tone] … the person with NPD fools them all [also said with sarcastic tone] …give me a break… ! NPD is real , please take it seriously : it is not helpful to anybody to see it as a tool and/or a label , to manipulate. What is next ,”She suffers PMT so it’s not her fault for killing him , besides he suffers from NPD , so he asked for it.” Be very careful leave it to the professionals to diagnose any condition. Regards a concerned mental health nurse.

    • Let’s see: no professional was able to help the victims of Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson, Josh Powell, Michelle Michael and numerous other murderous sociopaths. This blog isn’t about diagnosing someone to help the person with the disorder. It’s about helping potential and current and past victims stay away, get out, and NEVER go back. If we wait for a proper diagnosis, we’re all fucked. I say, “Fuck the abuser. Assume the worst.” Any experienced health professional will tell you that they even get fooled by these lying, cheating, and manipulative monsters. You obviously have never known one or been a victim of one. You’re a lucky, anonymous so and so. Be thankful this page means nothing to you. Yet.

    • If you were NPD you wouldn’t say there are 2 sides to the story and you wouldn’t even know the word compromise. I also don’t get the whole sarcastic tone either. There certainly are two sides to every story however, diagnosis or no diagnosis, people need to learn how to deal with people exhibiting these behaviors. I know first hand that the courts DO NOT understand this personality disorder at all. I don’t think anyone who has to deal with these people are doing anything BUT taking it seriously. No one, except their lawyer, is looking to excuse them for their behaviors either. You either read one thing and took it the wrong way or you are having a bad day. An “anonymous” comment is someone hiding something or trolling to look for people to take their anger out on. Please read more and look into the communities helping the victims. If you are a mental health professional, spend some time with the family members of these individuals. I have no doubt they have horror stories to tell you. Blogs and support sights aren’t built around “diagnosing” only educating. Many of these personality types don’t care that they have issues so they never go to get diagnosed. It is left up to us victims to do the research and recognize that it isn’t us, it actually is them. Signed, a not so anonymous victim.

  87. marilyn Lundrigan said:

    everything that has been posted is true,i have lived with one for 34yrs,couldnt fit him into a catergory until feb 2012.i scanned the web for all info and came across npd/melanie tonia evans website.she is also one of us who has been physically/mentaly/emotionly battered and drained.It felt like a lightbulb going on in my head when I read about NPD.i have detached myself emotionaly,but at present I still live in the same house,which is hard.we havent spoken for about 2 months.i dont mind its peaceful.he has someone else boy..am i grateful.i want to get out but cant at the moment.Its the things he does still to get at me like ,put washing up liquid in the kettle as he dosnt have hot drinks,hides my clothes/credit cards/train tickets.takes my mail to work so I never know what i have(kept the last batch of letter for 4 months)he has done a great job on my family & friends to where they think its me thats crazy.I havent retalliated but the things keep coming.we sleep in the same bed at the moment as i dont have enough room.he waits till im asleep,blows in my face,punches me in the back,then tell me im dreaming.will leave him but what am i in for…..god knows.all the info on NPD should be given to refuges/hostels especially these woman might just see the light literally like i did.

    • I am so sorry that you are living with this, Marilyn. It’s just evil how they treat people and destroy any sense of peace within us. I also believe that more awareness of NPD and all cluster B disorders needs to be spread, especially to women living in shelters and hostels and anywhere women and children are seeking refuge from an abusive situation. Understanding the source of the abuse makes it so much easier to get away and begin to heal. It is also very valuable to understand while you are still in the situation that there is absolutely nothing you can do to change the abuser and make him stop. The only way to make it stop, is to leave. I am thinking of you and hoping you will soon find the courage to leave. I also encourage you to visit the My Emotional Vampire Facebook page. You don’t need to Like the page to read the information. :) ~Paula https://www.facebook.com/MyEmotionalVampire

  88. I just found your writings and I am looking forward to reading your book, hopefully for my own path toward healing. I am recently single after an intense relationship with someone who I considered my best friend. His EXTREME lying didn’t come out until the very end. He is the most charming man I have ever met in my life and he preyed on me, my friends, my coworkers and my family. Three weeks after we broke up….he got married. I have started to open my eyes to the fact he was a text book sociopath. My cousin treats sociopaths as her profession and she was even oblivious to him in the beginning. My story makes peoples mouths drop and people tell me it makes them sick to their stomach and gives them goose bumps. The worst part of it all, we both work in law enforcement…we protect and serve. This man had the least bit of integrity and yet he is still looked at as the “Golden Boy”. My healing has started but its only the beginning of the journey.

    • L., I hope my blog and my book can help you. I recommend that you read everything on the subject that you can and to read what others have experienced.

      It seems that no one outside of the fields of psychology, psychiatry, neurology, etc. truly believe or understand that sociopaths exist outside of the movies and serial killer types. I have read much on this and how positions of power and authority attract them. Judges, doctors, lawyers, and law enforcement positions are some of their most coveted. It’s frightening to me.

      You have lived with it and surely have seen the evil and destruction that seems to have no source except that it comes from inside the sociopath who doesn’t flinch at his own dark thoughts. Normal people might think about wanting to hurt or harm someone who has hurt or harmed us, but those feelings are fleeting and never acted upon. It’s okay to be angry but it’s not okay to follow through and harm and hurt another person.

      I hope my story can help you. The latest Revisited version which is available as a paperback is recommended. I added more to the beginning that I wasn’t comfortable adding or sharing about myself originally. The biggest message I hope to share is that nothing that the sociopath did to us or put us through was our fault. He acted on a place void of conscience and empathy. His world consists of him and him alone. If you had an original thought or desire outside of his world, you were the enemy. You were the enemy because you existed. No other reason.

      I hope and wish for you to heal in a healthy way and not place blame or shame on yourself. It’s going to be difficult at times, but you are on the right path. Some people (probably most) never realize what it is that hit them and are left flailing. I believe you see it and you just need to accept it for what it is, which is the hardest part. ~Paula

    • Be sure to document your abuse! http://www.DocumentTheAbuse.com

    • Thank you. I will be writing a post about this, specifically and will also put it on my Abuse resource page. :)

  89. BEWARE:
    Have you ever thought (about) who would benefit most from your death?
    If you are a loner without much family, or you meet someone who suddenly seems interested in your finances for no apparent reason
    BEWARE: You could become the victim of life insurance fraud.

    This was written in a Philadelphia newspaper. It is so appropriate. Your story is so on target – thank you for your dedication to righting wrong.

    • I think people are becoming more and more aware that sociopath’s really do exist, and that they’re not just characters in the movies or serial killers on the six o’clock news. They’re your neighbor, your boss, your fiancee, your husband, or your wife! It’s all about status with these people, be it money or reputation. They NEED you for something. You have something that THEY want. In some cases, it could be as simple as wanting a child. Once they get what they want, you’re gone, whatever means necessary. This is no exaggeration, as I’m sure you know all to well, Ray’s Mom. :(

  90. can these people really be properly diagnosed, mine fits many of these but when he is in there he isnt honest with the dr or himself and therefore cant be properly diagnosed, maybe its why these people never change. He has even passed a psych eval to prove he is a “good parent”!!

    • But these people don’t realize they are lying. Their view of reality is much different than ours because they don’t have a conscience or a way to think outside of themselves. Frightening! But there is a test often used in criminal trials to determine the psychological state of a defendant. It’s called The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) and some of its uses and limitations can be found on the following website:
      http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#b

      I hope that helps.

  91. Whenever I read the signs I just makes me so sick that I couldnt see it while I was lving it.

    • I know!!! But who would? Instead, I just thought, “He’s having a bad day” or “He must be going through something and not comfortable enough to share” or “He has never had a similar experience, so how could he understand how I fee?” So many excuses except for the correct one: “He’s a pathetic loser who can’t be cured.” :)

  92. I always knew that there was something evily wrong with my ex. After reading this im now convinced that ive found the answer. well sort of, he has used his (skills) as a means to ultimatly hurt me or punish me for leaving him and refusing to love him, he has taken my baby (our) and has got courts believing he is the better parent for her to be with, its been over a 3 year fight but i cant seem to just let it go because he still has my baby. I so wished that the courts would somehow see through his lies and manipulation so i could get her back. I really wished he would slip up and they could see through his masks. Now that Im sure ive found his label maybe I can learn more about it and figure something out without scaring myself more in what my little girl is living with….

    • Rhonda, knowing what he is and how he lacks the fundamental ability to feel empathy and compassion, you can stop reacting to him like he cares how you feel. Instead, use that energy to focus on being the best mother you can be to your little girl. Don’t let him know you are hurt by anything he says or does. Just be matter-of-fact with him, emotionless. It’s like the schoolyard bully: if we don’t cry and go run to tell the teacher, the bully gets bored and will find someone else to bully. It’s quite sad grown men like this exist and have the balls to call themselves good fathers. :(

    • Ronda-
      I know I am a few months late on this reply, but I had to comment when I read your story. Paula is right in telling you not to react to his behavior. They thrive off this. Your best bet is to make him feel you have no problem. He wants to get a rise out of you. Its his game and he is using your baby as a game piece. He will trip up. He will want you to get the baby so he can do something. you will want to so you can see your child. Dont! Do not help convenience him. When he is inconvenienced he will get mad. Record these outburst. When he slips up record it, get him on tape. Write everything down even if it seems minor or unimportant. Do not give him the chance to do this to you. Dont scream or get mad. Dont react impulsively! Change visit dates at the last minute because you are “sick” and dont want the baby to get sick. People like this hate for plans to be changed if they werent the one to change it, so he will get mad again- record this because he will probably (out of anger) let it slip that the baby is an inconvenience to his plans. He may even tell you that you are a bad mom for cancelling your visit, but you will have it on tape that he would rather have you sick around the baby than have his plans change. I had a friend do a similar thing by saying there was a power outage and it was too cold for the child. When the courts heard his outrage towards her for not wanting to get the baby without power, they started putting it together and eventually (with other evidence) the courts realized that 1+1 NEVER equals 2 with this man. Now he no longer has custody and is only allowed visitation with an approved moderator. He is not allowed to go to functions when the mom is around because he cant keep his cool. He is so furious with her because she beat him at his own game (not because he lost the child), which shows how juvinille and selfish he is. Its been 3 years and he refuses to visit the child out of spite. Point is…He will get tired of you
      and get bored eventually. Do it right and dont give him any actual proof that what he has said is true. Keep your cool and his true color (evil) will eventually show. By the way… They had mutual friends that she talked into recording his comments and it helped. Good luck!

  93. One of my fb friends led me to you, today. Today is a great day! I love your writings. They laser in, succinctly. You have no fear, no waivering. Brava.

    In addition to exposure and awareness, I believe we should fight to change laws, to make the liar have to pay other side’s legal fees, at proof of first lie. That way, they’ll be disarmed in using litigation to continue their abuse, once they no longer have direct access to their targets (victims). And, the money will be preserved for the children, instead of their college funds and the equity in their homes, going to the lawyers. (Home has to be sold to pay the lawyers.)

    Another thought: I believe they do not believe their own lies. They know when they’re lying, which actually gives them an adrenaline rush. They love being in the power position of being the only one, at that moment in time, who knows they’re pulling one over on their target. It makes them feel superior. They get their rocks off on lying, actually.

    Other evidence they know when they’re lying: When cornered by a person of authority, they change their stories quickly.

    Getting other people to believe they believe their own lies is simply another layer of manipulation technique, that’s worked so well for them, all their lives. It causes those confronting them to give up, with “What can we do? (S)he believes his (or her) own lies.” It disarms their opposition, which de facto, gives them a pass. And then, they get to continue to lie, cheat, and steal, now unopposed.

    Does anyone, except the sociopath himself, know for sure? No. But in order to mobilize people to oppose them, it’s better to figure they know exactly when they are and are not lying, which is analogous to your advise to figure you’re dealing with a sociopath, instead of just a cluster B.

    • Thank you, Danna. The lying is the biggest tool these types have to control every situation. I hate liars. The motto in our house is: “Nobody likes a liar.” It keeps us honest even with the littlest things. I think I’ll have t-shirts made with that on it. Hahaha!

      The law has a long time to catch up with what is happening and has been happening to victims of narcissists. I have a few male friends who are suffering, too, but are too embarrassed or ashamed or proud (I’m not sure, exactly) to tell their stories. Instead, they just trudge along dealing with their ex-wives and the unfair custody agreements. The more we speak, the more likely they may speak one day. All we can do is keep the conversation and awareness moving along and keep it fresh in the front of everyone’s mind. No slacking; no taking breaks. This is a tough battle and those of us who can fight it need each othe to remain motivated. We CAN make a difference. We CAN affect change. :)

  94. excellent Paula!
    I’m going to repost it on my blog
    thanks so much
    Gert

  95. it still chills me every time i read the description…yuck!

  96. My Sociopath (MS) is a “low-level,” with “low expectations” and with “lazy ambitions.” His Support Group people are all weak, needy, poor/struggling, & mentally ill people. He is threatened by strong people. He wants to be “top dog.”

    One time (out of thousands, literally), I caught him lying and in other acts of destruction, I called him out on it: He ran to have sex with a 60-year old woman, in poor health, broken down body, rotting teeth, and Hepatitis infected. MS has absolutely NO STANDARDS. Any woman will do as long as she pays a little bit of attention to him.

    His “small business” has NEVER been a success but it appears that he is doing well because the “woman” in his life is more responsible or harder working. He uses his “shop” (business) more for meeting new people and instantly telling these strangers weird stories about his “Life as a Victim” and at the hands of his current “woman.” He “cries” constantly at his business, and in front of strange customers, of how he is “being abused” by someone or the other.

    I am just now trying to peace the chaos and destruction together. Now he is “Legally Harassing” me. These blogs help me.

    Thank you Paul’s Pontification for your great writings. I hope to receive support and words of inspiration over at my blog, FB, twitter, etc. I just started a “My Sociopath” campaign and need all the support I can get. Right now, he is wearing me out with frivolous court nonsense and I need words of motivation: )

    Let’s expose these evil people.

    • Exposure and awareness is the only thing we can do. I started following your blog. You have lots of energy and passion, which is evident in your writing. I am looking forward to reading more this evening. Thanks for supporting me and I will be in touch, definitely. :)

  97. I’m sorry you feel that way, Daryll. Your comment makes me pity you. You sound just like all the other delusional and disordered abusers many of us are familiar. Have a great day and be careful not to trip over yourself. :)

  98. One of the above comments puts its well. Recording them. Its not what you want to try to do but, last resort if u cannot get away, then there’s the chance someone will find it one day like a message found in a bottle on thebeach. .. if it doesn’t have to end that way, then transcribe it, their lies, confessions and use it in court and try to get a new identity following that, since many support socios and don’t even know it since theyr being used/tricked, etc..

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